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And how do you know the fatality rate of flu? That stat is not even reported. Even CDC only has an estimation of flu deaths. Besides, many strains of flu has a

And how do you know the fatality rate of flu? That stat is not even reported. Even CDC only has an estimation of flu deaths. Besides, many strains of flu has a vaccines available. Nothing of that sort exists for corona. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm#anchor_1534865810538 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht...

megavolcano 6y ago
You answered your own question. When comparing estimated flu deaths to the overinflatted corona reported deaths. Do I really need to be so pedantic? Vaccines existing for the flu is the point, COVID is way less deadly considering we don't_ have a vaccine.
- phakding 6y ago
  I am sorry, but you read like fox news propoganda. "overinflatted corona reported deaths". Really? any proof to that? Pedantic, you need to be factual and truthful.
  - megavolcano 6y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronav... "The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive." I suppose the New York Times is propoganda? I know Donald Trump would agree with that statement...
    - phakding 6y ago
      Ok, NY counted some that they shouldn't have. There's a vast majority of the country other than NYC that is affected by the virus and vast rest of the world too. You decided to nitpick one example and made it sound like a pattern.
      - megavolcano 6y ago
        Paraphrasing Dr. Birx: "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem, some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. The intent is ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that." Paraphrasing mostly, but this is Dr. Birx admitting that the government is overreporting by default. So even if you exclude NYC, it doesn't change my point.
        phakding 6y ago
        That's how that works. Take for example, HIV. Nobody dies of HIV, but because HIV causes immunodeficiency, you can die because of common cold or flu. That doesn't mean the person died because of common cold, they died because of HIV/AIDS. Similarly if you have type 1 diabetes and you get infected with corona, you probably died with diabetic complications, but without corona you would have been totally fine. Not sure how that doesn't change your point. In fact you are conflating two different things. On one hand you are arguing about overreporting and on the other hand don't even want to take into consideration common practices in disease statistics. Almost makes me think you are not arguing in good faith.
        pacala 6y ago
        FWIW, that's the exact same point I made in the GP, with s/HIV/old age/ and s/flu/covid/.
        megavolcano 6y ago
        People aren't catching type 1 diabetes because they are sick by coronavirus - they already had it. Comparing it to an immunodeficiency disease is not the same. It makes zero sense to generalize the fatality rate across a healthy population and include those with pre-existing conditions when trying to gauge the response for an entire state/country when the vast majority are healthy and those who are dying are not. When I want to know the risk to me or my family, I don't care that an 81 year old with stage 4 lung cancer died when he got COVID-19 - I want to know what my chances are among healthy people - but the media hysterics cling to the vulnerable people when it has no bearing on healthy ones. We need detailed demographics of infections and deaths. We need to break down the risks, because a blanket totalitarian response of "SHUT DOWN LITERALLY EVERYTHING" is absolutely ridiculous when the general population is going to be fine. We didn't shut down the world economy for SARS, H1N1, MERS or any particularly bad flu season and we shouldn't shut down for this. We should focus our limited resources on protecting the vulnerable and let everyone else get back to work. More lives will be destroyed from an extended shutdown than this virus ever could.

megavolcano 6y ago

You answered your own question. When comparing estimated flu deaths to the overinflatted corona reported deaths. Do I really need to be so pedantic? Vaccines existing for the flu is the point, COVID is way less deadly considering we don't_ have a vaccine.

phakding 6y ago
I am sorry, but you read like fox news propoganda. "overinflatted corona reported deaths". Really? any proof to that? Pedantic, you need to be factual and truthful.
- megavolcano 6y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronav... "The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive." I suppose the New York Times is propoganda? I know Donald Trump would agree with that statement...
  - phakding 6y ago
    Ok, NY counted some that they shouldn't have. There's a vast majority of the country other than NYC that is affected by the virus and vast rest of the world too. You decided to nitpick one example and made it sound like a pattern.
    - megavolcano 6y ago
      Paraphrasing Dr. Birx: "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem, some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. The intent is ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that." Paraphrasing mostly, but this is Dr. Birx admitting that the government is overreporting by default. So even if you exclude NYC, it doesn't change my point.
      - phakding 6y ago
        That's how that works. Take for example, HIV. Nobody dies of HIV, but because HIV causes immunodeficiency, you can die because of common cold or flu. That doesn't mean the person died because of common cold, they died because of HIV/AIDS. Similarly if you have type 1 diabetes and you get infected with corona, you probably died with diabetic complications, but without corona you would have been totally fine. Not sure how that doesn't change your point. In fact you are conflating two different things. On one hand you are arguing about overreporting and on the other hand don't even want to take into consideration common practices in disease statistics. Almost makes me think you are not arguing in good faith.
        pacala 6y ago
        FWIW, that's the exact same point I made in the GP, with s/HIV/old age/ and s/flu/covid/.
        megavolcano 6y ago
        People aren't catching type 1 diabetes because they are sick by coronavirus - they already had it. Comparing it to an immunodeficiency disease is not the same. It makes zero sense to generalize the fatality rate across a healthy population and include those with pre-existing conditions when trying to gauge the response for an entire state/country when the vast majority are healthy and those who are dying are not. When I want to know the risk to me or my family, I don't care that an 81 year old with stage 4 lung cancer died when he got COVID-19 - I want to know what my chances are among healthy people - but the media hysterics cling to the vulnerable people when it has no bearing on healthy ones. We need detailed demographics of infections and deaths. We need to break down the risks, because a blanket totalitarian response of "SHUT DOWN LITERALLY EVERYTHING" is absolutely ridiculous when the general population is going to be fine. We didn't shut down the world economy for SARS, H1N1, MERS or any particularly bad flu season and we shouldn't shut down for this. We should focus our limited resources on protecting the vulnerable and let everyone else get back to work. More lives will be destroyed from an extended shutdown than this virus ever could.