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That work sets you free is an unsubstantiated claim. I'm working and I don't think that this set me free. On the contrary, I think it's pretty shackling. What

by Kaiyou 6y ago

That work sets you free is an unsubstantiated claim. I'm working and I don't think that this set me free. On the contrary, I think it's pretty shackling. What would be a not naive understanding of the quote? I think it is reasonable to want a future for your own children. How are we living in a world where this is controversial?

Nursie 6y ago
You can't be this naive? Please search for "arbeit macht frei" and get back to us.
- Kaiyou 6y ago
  I'm from Germany, I know that slogan. Like I said, I think it's inherently wrong. Work is something that shackles you. Your reply doesn't address my questions.
meheleventyone 6y ago
It's not a future for "your own children" it's a future for "white children" generally that needs to be "secured" (from whom?) spoken in the context of white supremacy. If it was "I want a nice future for my own children" that would be uncontroversial.
- Kaiyou 6y ago
  There's no difference between your own children and white children, if you are white, is there? Generally speaking, the future is something that needs securing. If you don't secure your future, you might not have any. One way to secure your future is by learning a valuable skill another one is to marry into a wealthy family. There doesn't have to be a boogeyman threatening your future. Just missing out on opportunities or wasting your life away in idleness can be a big enough blow to ruin your future.
  - meheleventyone 6y ago
    You'd probably do better not avoiding the elephant sized context in the room here. It makes your replies look deeply disingenuous. To answer your point if I'm white there is still 50% of the equation that might not be. So my children are not necessarily "white" nor would the be considered so by white supremacists. My children might be adopted. My children might have some sort of genetic disorder that causes skin pigmentation changes. I might deeply consider my cats to be my children. Which is without even considering the deeper implications of whether it is simple to define "whiteness". There are plenty of reasons why my own children and "white children" might not be part of the same set.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Does it apply to your children's children? What if they're not white?
  - dang 6y ago
    You can't troll HN like you did in this thread. We warned you once already. I've banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
timerol 6y ago
Here's a personal claim: Meine Ehre heißt Treue. (My honour is called loyalty.) Seems like a upstanding thing to say, but it's banned as a slogan in Austria and Germany, because of its relation to the SS. The words chosen are relatively vague and could mean a number of things, but in context both this and the 14 words are clearly part of the white supremacist movement. You can't ignore the history and context of language.
- int_19h 6y ago
  > Meine Ehre heißt Treue. (My honour is called loyalty.) Seems like a upstanding thing to say Not at all. It's literally boasting that one will blindly follow orders, even those that would be considered dishonorable.

by Kaiyou 6y ago

Nursie 6y ago

You can't be this naive? Please search for "arbeit macht frei" and get back to us.

Kaiyou 6y ago
I'm from Germany, I know that slogan. Like I said, I think it's inherently wrong. Work is something that shackles you. Your reply doesn't address my questions.

meheleventyone 6y ago

It's not a future for "your own children" it's a future for "white children" generally that needs to be "secured" (from whom?) spoken in the context of white supremacy. If it was "I want a nice future for my own children" that would be uncontroversial.

Kaiyou 6y ago
There's no difference between your own children and white children, if you are white, is there? Generally speaking, the future is something that needs securing. If you don't secure your future, you might not have any. One way to secure your future is by learning a valuable skill another one is to marry into a wealthy family. There doesn't have to be a boogeyman threatening your future. Just missing out on opportunities or wasting your life away in idleness can be a big enough blow to ruin your future.
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  You'd probably do better not avoiding the elephant sized context in the room here. It makes your replies look deeply disingenuous. To answer your point if I'm white there is still 50% of the equation that might not be. So my children are not necessarily "white" nor would the be considered so by white supremacists. My children might be adopted. My children might have some sort of genetic disorder that causes skin pigmentation changes. I might deeply consider my cats to be my children. Which is without even considering the deeper implications of whether it is simple to define "whiteness". There are plenty of reasons why my own children and "white children" might not be part of the same set.
- monocasa 6y ago
  Does it apply to your children's children? What if they're not white?
- dang 6y ago
  You can't troll HN like you did in this thread. We warned you once already. I've banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

timerol 6y ago

Here's a personal claim: Meine Ehre heißt Treue. (My honour is called loyalty.) Seems like a upstanding thing to say, but it's banned as a slogan in Austria and Germany, because of its relation to the SS. The words chosen are relatively vague and could mean a number of things, but in context both this and the 14 words are clearly part of the white supremacist movement. You can't ignore the history and context of language.

int_19h 6y ago
> Meine Ehre heißt Treue. (My honour is called loyalty.) Seems like a upstanding thing to say Not at all. It's literally boasting that one will blindly follow orders, even those that would be considered dishonorable.