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Well it's far more important to have the ACLU working on advocacy and rights for LGBTQ+ where there are demonstrable acts of violence and systemic oppression ra

Well it's far more important to have the ACLU working on advocacy and rights for LGBTQ+ where there are demonstrable acts of violence and systemic oppression rather than waste time hand holding individuals who think they should be able purchase an Arsenal of firearms and spread Covid by not obeying and respecting their fellow citizens through their non compliance. I'd say they are definitely where they need to be.. It's prudent and wise they not be involved with rabble rousers who through their non compliance, indifference, and questioning of authority silently slaughter members of minority communities that this disease adversely affects more than wealthy elites who miss their bed bath and beyond or their tee time.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Right, this is the kind of position I was referring to. The modern ACLU tends to direct their attention towards specific identity groups they feel are most deserving. I don't think they're quite as far along that path as you are - I can't imagine an ACLU representative implying you have a civic duty to unquestioningly accept the government's pandemic control measures - but maybe I'm wrong.
- Talanes 6y ago
  I wonder if they're just avoiding it as a tactical thing. Lawsuits aren't the quickest form of change, they might just not see any path to actually moving on those questions before they become moot. If they're planning for the long term, it might make more sense to see which forms of government overreach stick around too long.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I think that's the most likely scenario, but I'm not sure the implied tactics are actually accurate - many religious groups have been able to get swift injunctions.
roenxi 6y ago
So just quickly glancing at Wikipedia [0] it looks like most of the major line items for the LGBTQ+ agenda have been part of US Federal law for about 5+ years. The LGBTQ+ community are basically ordinary people from all walks of life, including prominent names like Tim Cook and Pete Buttigieg. The community has I believe explicit public support from culture generating machines like Hollywood and political entities like the Democrat party. These aren't exactly wilting lilies in terms of power and influence. It isn't obvious that supporting their liberties should take precedence over supporting anyone else's. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Federally_granted_rights_and_protections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Stat...
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  There are still a few residual gay rights issues, but over the past few years, LGBTQ+ rights has come to primarily refer to trans rights. One of the ACLU's major recent campaigns is that trans girls should be allowed to play on girls' sports teams, for example - that's seen as an important right nowadays, but it's not on the checklist because it was never relevant for gay people.
  - new_time 6y ago
    It is not really progressive to allow biological males to play with and in many cases dominate biological female competition. This is an example of how the ACLU has lost its way in the weeds of questionable progressive crusades.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      Yeah, I didn't intend to beat around the bush - I agree this is an example of the ACLU being driven by progressive activism rather than civil rights.
  - andrepd 6y ago
    >One of the ACLU's major recent campaigns is that trans girls should be allowed to play on girls' sports teams, for example - that's seen as an important right nowadays Of course, that's very much a nontrivial issue even among progressive circles. Your view is far from consensual.
DeathArrow 6y ago
>Well it's far more important to have the ACLU working on advocacy and rights for LGBTQ+ Important for who, may I ask? Aren't there many groups fighting for that? How many groups are working to promote civil rights?
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SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Right, this is the kind of position I was referring to. The modern ACLU tends to direct their attention towards specific identity groups they feel are most deserving. I don't think they're quite as far along that path as you are - I can't imagine an ACLU representative implying you have a civic duty to unquestioningly accept the government's pandemic control measures - but maybe I'm wrong.

Talanes 6y ago
I wonder if they're just avoiding it as a tactical thing. Lawsuits aren't the quickest form of change, they might just not see any path to actually moving on those questions before they become moot. If they're planning for the long term, it might make more sense to see which forms of government overreach stick around too long.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I think that's the most likely scenario, but I'm not sure the implied tactics are actually accurate - many religious groups have been able to get swift injunctions.

roenxi 6y ago

So just quickly glancing at Wikipedia [0] it looks like most of the major line items for the LGBTQ+ agenda have been part of US Federal law for about 5+ years. The LGBTQ+ community are basically ordinary people from all walks of life, including prominent names like Tim Cook and Pete Buttigieg. The community has I believe explicit public support from culture generating machines like Hollywood and political entities like the Democrat party. These aren't exactly wilting lilies in terms of power and influence. It isn't obvious that supporting their liberties should take precedence over supporting anyone else's. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Federally_granted_rights_and_protections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Stat...

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
There are still a few residual gay rights issues, but over the past few years, LGBTQ+ rights has come to primarily refer to trans rights. One of the ACLU's major recent campaigns is that trans girls should be allowed to play on girls' sports teams, for example - that's seen as an important right nowadays, but it's not on the checklist because it was never relevant for gay people.
- new_time 6y ago
  It is not really progressive to allow biological males to play with and in many cases dominate biological female competition. This is an example of how the ACLU has lost its way in the weeds of questionable progressive crusades.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Yeah, I didn't intend to beat around the bush - I agree this is an example of the ACLU being driven by progressive activism rather than civil rights.
- andrepd 6y ago
  >One of the ACLU's major recent campaigns is that trans girls should be allowed to play on girls' sports teams, for example - that's seen as an important right nowadays Of course, that's very much a nontrivial issue even among progressive circles. Your view is far from consensual.

DeathArrow 6y ago

>Well it's far more important to have the ACLU working on advocacy and rights for LGBTQ+ Important for who, may I ask? Aren't there many groups fighting for that? How many groups are working to promote civil rights?

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