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You can look on Youtube yourself and see countless examples o MSNBC and CNN criticizing the travel ban on China because the virus wasn't any more dangerous than

You can look on Youtube yourself and see countless examples o MSNBC and CNN criticizing the travel ban on China because the virus wasn't any more dangerous than the flu.

dragonwriter 6y ago
I actually followed the coverage the first time, and where the ban was criticized it was almost entirely for being too late for that response to be useful, not unwarranted by the severity of the disease. Of course, if there really are “countless” examples supporting your characterization, it will be easy for you to cite some.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
  The China travel ban was ordered on Jan 28th and active on Feb 3rd. The WHO didn't confirm human transmission until Jan 25th... Some of many examples of the media in Jan and Feb: https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1245478539018805251?s=20 https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1245478539018805251?s=20 https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-brains-make-coronavirus-seem-scarier-than-it-is/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-br... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-stigma-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-10000-across-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-1... https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1225937322694381568 https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1225937322694381568 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1223676237060636672 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/122367623706063667... https://i.imgur.com/43n4HWK.png https://i.imgur.com/43n4HWK.png EDIT: the mental gymnastics below is real, I'll add more examples as I find them, you can choose how wrong they got it and if Fox is worse, or when or how each individual should apologize... P.S. you guys are nuts, everyone was saying "it's less than 2%!!!" But yeah, us conservatives and the only conservative mainstream news channel and our conservative President are the source of all of your problems. /s No it's a tacky political attack in the middle of a crisis. Real classy.
  - fourmyle 6y ago
    It's worth pointing out that Trump gave this order the day after or during the impeachment trial when it was risky for him to do so. edit: None of this matters though because orange man bad.
    - endorphone 6y ago
      Wait, wasn't your "but orange man bad" classic twitter response good enough? Why'd you edit it? "When it was risky for him to do so." Trump just got a get out of jail free card and absolute impunity and immunity to do anything he wanted. Since he's fired a number of people in the most brazen display of corruption in US history. Risky? There was zero risk. Yes, orange man is bad. He's historically bad. He is a thin-skinned grifter who is positively the worst possible person to be in this position. Oh but look he did an easy, lazy partial, regional restriction that accomplished positively nothing. What a savior.
      - fourmyle 6y ago
        So you don't think travel from China should have been shutdown until later?
        dmode 6y ago
        What travel ban ? 400k people traveled from China after the ban. Trump said as of 2 weeks back that everything will be open by Easter. Everyday he downplays the virus and peddle misinformation. How anyone can define a completely unhinged and unethical person, whose direct actions is resulting in thousands of deaths is beyond me
        fourmyle 6y ago
        Obama didn’t replenish the stockpile of medical supplies used after H1N1 do you blame him too? How far are we going to be under projected death counts for Covid? A factor of 1000? Either what this administration did worked or it was a hoax you pick. You might want to look into mental help early in anticipation for Trump carrying 48 states in November. Maybe actually move to Canada this time?
- fourmyle 6y ago
  Looks someone else already found a few great examples.
  - endorphone 6y ago
    You claimed that there were countless videos of "MSNBC and CNN criticizing the travel ban on China because the virus wasn't any more dangerous than the flu." Which of course isn't accurate. You seek your redemption in some guy[1] listing a tiny selection of articles, having nothing to do with the partial travel restriction, arguing about the social effects. He links either contrarian articles, or articles talking about the psychology/sociology. That you think this proves the case is astonishing. I am going to say again that you are either so profoundly partisan that the truth doesn't matter, or you are logically broken. It's the classic deflection, and it's absolutely amazing. Fox was literally at war with what they saw as the "mainstream media hoax" (in lockstep with Trump, of course, because they are his state media), claiming that they were fear-mongering about the virus. Oh but now, the mainstream media actually wasn't at all. They were understating it. The cognitive deficiency to seriously argue this... [1] That guy whose post history is littered with claims that the response to SARS-CoV-2 is "fear-mongering", and who a month ago seriously said that the US response was and is the best, of anyone. Their single example being that Trump limited air travel from a single region...for non-Americans...long after the horse was out of the barn. Then again, your history has continual COVID denial, such as your claim that no hospitals are over capacity. You guys are really trying to argue everything simultaneously and it must be exhausting.
    - fourmyle 6y ago
      None of your ad hominem counters the articles the other poster found.
    - fourmyle 6y ago
      Did the news about the death counts flattening and missing projections by a lot today bum you out? I can’t imagine having my identity so wrapped in Trump losing the election that I would be hoping for hundreds of thousand dead and the failure of the American health care system. Enjoy the next 4 years of the Trump administration.

You can look on Youtube yourself and see countless examples o MSNBC and CNN criticizing the travel ban on China because the virus wasn't any more dangerous than the flu.

dragonwriter 6y ago

I actually followed the coverage the first time, and where the ban was criticized it was almost entirely for being too late for that response to be useful, not unwarranted by the severity of the disease. Of course, if there really are “countless” examples supporting your characterization, it will be easy for you to cite some.

s_y_n_t_a_x 6y ago
The China travel ban was ordered on Jan 28th and active on Feb 3rd. The WHO didn't confirm human transmission until Jan 25th... Some of many examples of the media in Jan and Feb: https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1245478539018805251?s=20 https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1245478539018805251?s=20 https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-brains-make-coronavirus-seem-scarier-than-it-is/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/31/how-our-br... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-stigma-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/18/world/europe/coronavirus-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-10000-across-us-as-world-frets-over-coronavirus.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/the-flu-has-already-killed-1... https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1225937322694381568 https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1225937322694381568 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1223676237060636672 https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/122367623706063667... https://i.imgur.com/43n4HWK.png https://i.imgur.com/43n4HWK.png EDIT: the mental gymnastics below is real, I'll add more examples as I find them, you can choose how wrong they got it and if Fox is worse, or when or how each individual should apologize... P.S. you guys are nuts, everyone was saying "it's less than 2%!!!" But yeah, us conservatives and the only conservative mainstream news channel and our conservative President are the source of all of your problems. /s No it's a tacky political attack in the middle of a crisis. Real classy.
- fourmyle 6y ago
  It's worth pointing out that Trump gave this order the day after or during the impeachment trial when it was risky for him to do so. edit: None of this matters though because orange man bad.
  - endorphone 6y ago
    Wait, wasn't your "but orange man bad" classic twitter response good enough? Why'd you edit it? "When it was risky for him to do so." Trump just got a get out of jail free card and absolute impunity and immunity to do anything he wanted. Since he's fired a number of people in the most brazen display of corruption in US history. Risky? There was zero risk. Yes, orange man is bad. He's historically bad. He is a thin-skinned grifter who is positively the worst possible person to be in this position. Oh but look he did an easy, lazy partial, regional restriction that accomplished positively nothing. What a savior.
    - fourmyle 6y ago
      So you don't think travel from China should have been shutdown until later?
      - dmode 6y ago
        What travel ban ? 400k people traveled from China after the ban. Trump said as of 2 weeks back that everything will be open by Easter. Everyday he downplays the virus and peddle misinformation. How anyone can define a completely unhinged and unethical person, whose direct actions is resulting in thousands of deaths is beyond me
        fourmyle 6y ago
        Obama didn’t replenish the stockpile of medical supplies used after H1N1 do you blame him too? How far are we going to be under projected death counts for Covid? A factor of 1000? Either what this administration did worked or it was a hoax you pick. You might want to look into mental help early in anticipation for Trump carrying 48 states in November. Maybe actually move to Canada this time?
fourmyle 6y ago
Looks someone else already found a few great examples.
- endorphone 6y ago
  You claimed that there were countless videos of "MSNBC and CNN criticizing the travel ban on China because the virus wasn't any more dangerous than the flu." Which of course isn't accurate. You seek your redemption in some guy[1] listing a tiny selection of articles, having nothing to do with the partial travel restriction, arguing about the social effects. He links either contrarian articles, or articles talking about the psychology/sociology. That you think this proves the case is astonishing. I am going to say again that you are either so profoundly partisan that the truth doesn't matter, or you are logically broken. It's the classic deflection, and it's absolutely amazing. Fox was literally at war with what they saw as the "mainstream media hoax" (in lockstep with Trump, of course, because they are his state media), claiming that they were fear-mongering about the virus. Oh but now, the mainstream media actually wasn't at all. They were understating it. The cognitive deficiency to seriously argue this... [1] That guy whose post history is littered with claims that the response to SARS-CoV-2 is "fear-mongering", and who a month ago seriously said that the US response was and is the best, of anyone. Their single example being that Trump limited air travel from a single region...for non-Americans...long after the horse was out of the barn. Then again, your history has continual COVID denial, such as your claim that no hospitals are over capacity. You guys are really trying to argue everything simultaneously and it must be exhausting.
  - fourmyle 6y ago
    None of your ad hominem counters the articles the other poster found.
  - fourmyle 6y ago
    Did the news about the death counts flattening and missing projections by a lot today bum you out? I can’t imagine having my identity so wrapped in Trump losing the election that I would be hoping for hundreds of thousand dead and the failure of the American health care system. Enjoy the next 4 years of the Trump administration.