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Lot of people tend to have respiratory failure before situation gets worrisome and breath exercises are a definite way to help your body do what a ventilator do

Lot of people tend to have respiratory failure before situation gets worrisome and breath exercises are a definite way to help your body do what a ventilator does In yoga asanas, there are few breathing exercises that existed in ancient India and I myself can attest to it that I was able to overcome lot of allergies practising it, Here is a resource to follow along. https://youtu.be/iUKjuni-6l8 https://youtu.be/iUKjuni-6l8 starts at 9 mins and goes on for 15 mins or so And yes everyone breathes the wrong way, we pull in stomach when inhaling which is supposed to be otherway round, I know it's surprising to hear that we are breathing wrong. if you want the proof just notice a child breathing that's the most natural form of breathing If you are looking for keywords to look up, the are anuloma viloma & kapalabathi. Stay safe, stay healthy.

djtriptych 6y ago
I upvoted. HN hates comments like this but I've also had similar experiences. Asthmatic as a kid, high blood pressure in my 20s. All of that disappeared.
- rusk 6y ago
  > HN hates comments like this Surprised you haven't got the old "anecdata is no data" response yet …
- rimliu 6y ago
  post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
  - djtriptych 6y ago
    yeah working out muscles makes them stronger. Must be a myth.
    - rimliu 6y ago
      It was about asthma and hbp, not some stronger muscles.
      - djtriptych 6y ago
        try it sometime.
Zenst 6y ago
>And yes everyone breathes the wrong way, we pull in stomach when inhaling which is supposed to be otherway round, I know it's surprising to hear that we are breathing wrong. if you want the proof just notice a child breathing that's the most natural form of breathing Interesting as in martial arts the kiai is from the base of the stomach clenching with a breath out. More so as I breath in via the chest not the stomach, not given that much thought, though did a lot of competitive swimming and that may of played a part, not something I considered.
macawfish 6y ago
Yes! Breathing like that will purge carbon dioxide from your blood more quickly and result in higher oxygen levels. There are some really powerful exercises based on oxygen breathing in quite a few different traditions. Some names I've heard of are "holotropic breathing", "circular breathing", "breath of fire", "round breathing", "bioenergetics breathing", and "Wim Hoff method". Wilhelm Reich made use of oxygen increasing breathwork in his orgone therapy back in the mid 20th century. This stuff can really bring about powerful alternate states of mind, and I've personally experienced some deep spiritual and psychological release from oxygen breathing exercises. At this point I've come to think that peoples' natural response during an anxiety attack, which is to hyperventilate, might actually be a healthy, desireable reaction. But we socially repress and stigmatize it. Fear and anxiety are uncomfortable to us, so instead of holding space for working through that stuff naturally, we stuff it. I'm telling you though, the feeling relief that controlled hyperventilating can bring is unbelievable.
- rand_r 6y ago
  The evolutionary history of how we developed an instinct to hyperventilate is an interesting question. However, I have to put up a warning that hyperventilating doesn't actually increase oxygen levels. It's a dangerous practice because it surpasses the natural drive to breath by depleting CO2 in the blood to abnormally low levels. Our breath drive depends on CO2 levels and can get fooled by hyperventilation into letting you black out from lack of oxygen. This section on Wikipedia explains the physics of the situation really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving_blackout#Shallow_water_blackout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving_blackout#Shallow_wa...
  - rusk 6y ago
    > The evolutionary history of how we developed an instinct to hyperventilate Presumably it's a fight or flight response. It's redundant and counterproductive of course in many modern stress situations but if you had to fight off a predator or catch that animal the extra jolt of vascular activity probably makes perfect sense.
  - bichiliad 6y ago
WalterBright 6y ago
> we pull in stomach when inhaling Wat? My stomach goes out when I inhale. I could not find any way to pull in my stomach and inhale.
- readarticle 6y ago
  Simply “fill” your chest while inhaling and your stomach can’t not go in. Imagine a cartoon of someone taking a deep breath before blowing out a candle or something.
  - AlexCoventry 6y ago
    It's unhealthy but anatomically possible to breathe while your abdomen is pulled in. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319924 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319924 Try it. You end up breathing using your rib cage instead of your diaphragm.
    - sah2ed 6y ago
      That unhealthy form of breathing is called vertical breathing. The correct form is horizontal breathing [0] helpfully shared elsewhere in this thread. 0: https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-breathe/ https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-breathe/
- madhadron 6y ago
  It is a common dysfunction in western cultures to lift and try to expand the ribcage when breathing in, while dragging the gut in. It results in a much smaller breathing volume, lots of weird, unnecessary physical stresses. Kind of the same kind of thing as people bending their spine weirdly backward when told to stand up straight.
  - rusk 6y ago
    I used to do this as a kid, and noticed it at one point and thought it weird. I must have subconsciously corrected it over the years since then cause it's not how I breath any more … I wonder is it related to prevalence of sitting?
djmips 6y ago
That was quite helpful thanks.
aesyondu 6y ago
> And yes everyone breathes the wrong way, we pull in stomach when inhaling which is supposed to be otherway round This statement confused me, so just to be clear, this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNnKVGxabA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNnKVGxabA demonstrates the correct way to breathe right? Wrong - pull in stomach (breathe with chest) Right - expand stomach
- ninenines 6y ago
  Yes I am so sorry for the confusion. When we breathe, first the lungs fill up, as adults we exhale at this point. We should continue breathing until full lung capacity i.e until it pushes the diaphragm down which in turn pushes the stomach giving a sense of pot belly, if you have a pet or a child notice their stomach while they breathe. There seems to be little confusion about chest/stomach breathing. We draw air with lungs which reside in the chest, its just that we are training our body to take deep and longer breaths we get a feeling that we are drawing with stomach As PG says one needs child like curiosity, we need to child like breathing :)
TriNetra 6y ago
Extracting from (with slight modification re retention) https://www.amazon.com/Wellness-Sense-practical-emotional-Ayurvedic-ebook/dp/B00QKQYFE0 https://www.amazon.com/Wellness-Sense-practical-emotional-Ay... >>> Respiratory cleansing purifies your entire body. It pacifies the three doshas and strengthens the seven dhatus. It flushes your lungs and blood with fresh and excess oxygen that results in definitive strengthening of your immune system and your overall wellbeing. Respiratory cleansing has a calm effect on your mind as well. It improves your memory, virility (or fertility) and strengthens your neurological system. According to the yogic texts, it allows the practitioner to live longer and healthier. It is called pranayama. Prana means vital life force and yama means to elongate it. The science of pranayama is a different subject matter and is not part of the mainstream Ayurveda. Prerequisites For all the breathing exercises, it is more rewarding to sit cross-legged. Sitting in this posture allows you better control on the flow of the vital energies in the body. In case, you can't sit cross-legged, it is okay to sit in a chair. Breathing exercises should not be done while lying down. In all the exercises, your back and neck should be in one straight line. Your posture needs to be firm and straight but not tense. It is best to do these exercises on empty stomach in the morning. If you are doing it during the day or at night, make sure there is a minimum of two-hour gap between your meal and the exercise. And, that's assuming you had a light vegetarian meal because a light vegetarian meal completely digests in two hours. If you had a heavier meal, you may want to increase the gap to three hours or more. Start all breathing exercises with an exhalation first. This is a subtle but extremely significant point. Exhalation allows you to expel toxic air in your system. If you start with an inhalation, you simply pressurize the foul air to circulate through your system. A general rule of thumb is to be followed for all yogic exercises: if they make you uncomfortable, stop right away and seek expert guidance. Simple Deep Breathing Simple deep breathing is a hassle-free, potent and easy exercise. Assuming you have followed the prerequisites, just sit comfortably, rest your hands in your lap if you are sitting cross legged or on your knees if you are sitting in a chair. Start with exhale as per prerequisit. Inhale deeply and gently with both nostrils. Fill your belly and lungs with fresh air. Do not hold it and instead start exhaling gently. Pull your stomach in as you exhale and gently push your stomach out as you inhale. Simple deep breathing can be done for fifteen minutes in the morning. Do it for five minutes and take a break of two minutes and then do it for another five minutes. Alternate Breathing Alternate breathing is a type of pranayama that is excellent for neurological and respiratory cleansing and detoxification. It forms part of the nervous-system-purification (nadi-shodhana) regime. It is called anuloma-viloma in yogic texts. To do alternate breathing, follow the prerequisites. As always, start with complete exhalation with both nostrils. Put the thumb of your right hand on your right nostril to close it. Now breathe deeply, steadily and gently through your left. DO not hold the breath. Put the middle finger of your right hand on the left nostril and lift your thumb to open the right nostril. Exhale completely, steadily and gently. Ideally, your exhalation should be so soft that you should not even hear yourself breathing out. Yogic scriptures state the standard one-four-two rule for pranayama. It means if it takes you one second to breath in, for example, you should hold the breath for four seconds (four times the length of inhalation) and exhale over two seconds (double the length of inhalation). However, as I stated earlier, retention of breath should be done only if you have been guided by an expert and if you are observing all the rules. At one stretch you can do twenty repetitions. One complete repetition is inhale from the left, hold, exhale from the right, inhale from the right, hold, and then exhale from the left. This is one repetition. If you have the time, you are free to do it twice or even thrice a day. There is no better purifier of your entire nervous system than pranayama. It is nothing short of a miracle exercise handed down to us by the ancient yogis.
0xcafecafe 6y ago
Your interesting tidbit about breathing led me to pay attention to my style. Seems I am doing the "right" way, stomach distends on input and vice-versa. It seems impossible to do the other way. I wonder how people get into that habit.
mtalantikite 6y ago
I'd also suggest practicing nadi shodhana pranayama with breath retention. There is some evidence that holding your breath in a controlled way exercises your spleen, like endurance divers train for, which injects oxygenated red blood cells into circulation. [1][2] It obviously has an effect on respiratory capacity as well. [3] There are plenty of resources on Nadi Shodhana -- I'd suggest Iyengar's "Light on Pranayama" -- but I'd recommend starting with a 1:1:1 ratio of inhale:hold:exhale counts through alternate nostrils, then moving on to 1:2:2 and then 1:4:2. [1] https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/enlarged-spleen-key-diving-endurance-sea-nomads https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/enlarged-spleen-key-div... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3694106/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3694106/ [3] PDF warning: https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1113/EP086269 https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1113/EP086...

djtriptych 6y ago

I upvoted. HN hates comments like this but I've also had similar experiences. Asthmatic as a kid, high blood pressure in my 20s. All of that disappeared.

rusk 6y ago
> HN hates comments like this Surprised you haven't got the old "anecdata is no data" response yet …
rimliu 6y ago
post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
- djtriptych 6y ago
  yeah working out muscles makes them stronger. Must be a myth.
  - rimliu 6y ago
    It was about asthma and hbp, not some stronger muscles.
    - djtriptych 6y ago
      try it sometime.

Zenst 6y ago

>And yes everyone breathes the wrong way, we pull in stomach when inhaling which is supposed to be otherway round, I know it's surprising to hear that we are breathing wrong. if you want the proof just notice a child breathing that's the most natural form of breathing Interesting as in martial arts the kiai is from the base of the stomach clenching with a breath out. More so as I breath in via the chest not the stomach, not given that much thought, though did a lot of competitive swimming and that may of played a part, not something I considered.

macawfish 6y ago

Yes! Breathing like that will purge carbon dioxide from your blood more quickly and result in higher oxygen levels. There are some really powerful exercises based on oxygen breathing in quite a few different traditions. Some names I've heard of are "holotropic breathing", "circular breathing", "breath of fire", "round breathing", "bioenergetics breathing", and "Wim Hoff method". Wilhelm Reich made use of oxygen increasing breathwork in his orgone therapy back in the mid 20th century. This stuff can really bring about powerful alternate states of mind, and I've personally experienced some deep spiritual and psychological release from oxygen breathing exercises. At this point I've come to think that peoples' natural response during an anxiety attack, which is to hyperventilate, might actually be a healthy, desireable reaction. But we socially repress and stigmatize it. Fear and anxiety are uncomfortable to us, so instead of holding space for working through that stuff naturally, we stuff it. I'm telling you though, the feeling relief that controlled hyperventilating can bring is unbelievable.

rand_r 6y ago
The evolutionary history of how we developed an instinct to hyperventilate is an interesting question. However, I have to put up a warning that hyperventilating doesn't actually increase oxygen levels. It's a dangerous practice because it surpasses the natural drive to breath by depleting CO2 in the blood to abnormally low levels. Our breath drive depends on CO2 levels and can get fooled by hyperventilation into letting you black out from lack of oxygen. This section on Wikipedia explains the physics of the situation really well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving_blackout#Shallow_water_blackout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving_blackout#Shallow_wa...
- rusk 6y ago
  > The evolutionary history of how we developed an instinct to hyperventilate Presumably it's a fight or flight response. It's redundant and counterproductive of course in many modern stress situations but if you had to fight off a predator or catch that animal the extra jolt of vascular activity probably makes perfect sense.
- bichiliad 6y ago

WalterBright 6y ago

> we pull in stomach when inhaling Wat? My stomach goes out when I inhale. I could not find any way to pull in my stomach and inhale.

readarticle 6y ago
Simply “fill” your chest while inhaling and your stomach can’t not go in. Imagine a cartoon of someone taking a deep breath before blowing out a candle or something.
- AlexCoventry 6y ago
  It's unhealthy but anatomically possible to breathe while your abdomen is pulled in. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319924 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319924 Try it. You end up breathing using your rib cage instead of your diaphragm.
  - sah2ed 6y ago
    That unhealthy form of breathing is called vertical breathing. The correct form is horizontal breathing [0] helpfully shared elsewhere in this thread. 0: https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-breathe/ https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-breathe/
madhadron 6y ago
It is a common dysfunction in western cultures to lift and try to expand the ribcage when breathing in, while dragging the gut in. It results in a much smaller breathing volume, lots of weird, unnecessary physical stresses. Kind of the same kind of thing as people bending their spine weirdly backward when told to stand up straight.
- rusk 6y ago
  I used to do this as a kid, and noticed it at one point and thought it weird. I must have subconsciously corrected it over the years since then cause it's not how I breath any more … I wonder is it related to prevalence of sitting?

djmips 6y ago

That was quite helpful thanks.

aesyondu 6y ago

> And yes everyone breathes the wrong way, we pull in stomach when inhaling which is supposed to be otherway round This statement confused me, so just to be clear, this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNnKVGxabA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNnKVGxabA demonstrates the correct way to breathe right? Wrong - pull in stomach (breathe with chest) Right - expand stomach

ninenines 6y ago
Yes I am so sorry for the confusion. When we breathe, first the lungs fill up, as adults we exhale at this point. We should continue breathing until full lung capacity i.e until it pushes the diaphragm down which in turn pushes the stomach giving a sense of pot belly, if you have a pet or a child notice their stomach while they breathe. There seems to be little confusion about chest/stomach breathing. We draw air with lungs which reside in the chest, its just that we are training our body to take deep and longer breaths we get a feeling that we are drawing with stomach As PG says one needs child like curiosity, we need to child like breathing :)

TriNetra 6y ago

Extracting from (with slight modification re retention) https://www.amazon.com/Wellness-Sense-practical-emotional-Ayurvedic-ebook/dp/B00QKQYFE0 https://www.amazon.com/Wellness-Sense-practical-emotional-Ay... >>> Respiratory cleansing purifies your entire body. It pacifies the three doshas and strengthens the seven dhatus. It flushes your lungs and blood with fresh and excess oxygen that results in definitive strengthening of your immune system and your overall wellbeing. Respiratory cleansing has a calm effect on your mind as well. It improves your memory, virility (or fertility) and strengthens your neurological system. According to the yogic texts, it allows the practitioner to live longer and healthier. It is called pranayama. Prana means vital life force and yama means to elongate it. The science of pranayama is a different subject matter and is not part of the mainstream Ayurveda. Prerequisites For all the breathing exercises, it is more rewarding to sit cross-legged. Sitting in this posture allows you better control on the flow of the vital energies in the body. In case, you can't sit cross-legged, it is okay to sit in a chair. Breathing exercises should not be done while lying down. In all the exercises, your back and neck should be in one straight line. Your posture needs to be firm and straight but not tense. It is best to do these exercises on empty stomach in the morning. If you are doing it during the day or at night, make sure there is a minimum of two-hour gap between your meal and the exercise. And, that's assuming you had a light vegetarian meal because a light vegetarian meal completely digests in two hours. If you had a heavier meal, you may want to increase the gap to three hours or more. Start all breathing exercises with an exhalation first. This is a subtle but extremely significant point. Exhalation allows you to expel toxic air in your system. If you start with an inhalation, you simply pressurize the foul air to circulate through your system. A general rule of thumb is to be followed for all yogic exercises: if they make you uncomfortable, stop right away and seek expert guidance. Simple Deep Breathing Simple deep breathing is a hassle-free, potent and easy exercise. Assuming you have followed the prerequisites, just sit comfortably, rest your hands in your lap if you are sitting cross legged or on your knees if you are sitting in a chair. Start with exhale as per prerequisit. Inhale deeply and gently with both nostrils. Fill your belly and lungs with fresh air. Do not hold it and instead start exhaling gently. Pull your stomach in as you exhale and gently push your stomach out as you inhale. Simple deep breathing can be done for fifteen minutes in the morning. Do it for five minutes and take a break of two minutes and then do it for another five minutes. Alternate Breathing Alternate breathing is a type of pranayama that is excellent for neurological and respiratory cleansing and detoxification. It forms part of the nervous-system-purification (nadi-shodhana) regime. It is called anuloma-viloma in yogic texts. To do alternate breathing, follow the prerequisites. As always, start with complete exhalation with both nostrils. Put the thumb of your right hand on your right nostril to close it. Now breathe deeply, steadily and gently through your left. DO not hold the breath. Put the middle finger of your right hand on the left nostril and lift your thumb to open the right nostril. Exhale completely, steadily and gently. Ideally, your exhalation should be so soft that you should not even hear yourself breathing out. Yogic scriptures state the standard one-four-two rule for pranayama. It means if it takes you one second to breath in, for example, you should hold the breath for four seconds (four times the length of inhalation) and exhale over two seconds (double the length of inhalation). However, as I stated earlier, retention of breath should be done only if you have been guided by an expert and if you are observing all the rules. At one stretch you can do twenty repetitions. One complete repetition is inhale from the left, hold, exhale from the right, inhale from the right, hold, and then exhale from the left. This is one repetition. If you have the time, you are free to do it twice or even thrice a day. There is no better purifier of your entire nervous system than pranayama. It is nothing short of a miracle exercise handed down to us by the ancient yogis.

0xcafecafe 6y ago

Your interesting tidbit about breathing led me to pay attention to my style. Seems I am doing the "right" way, stomach distends on input and vice-versa. It seems impossible to do the other way. I wonder how people get into that habit.

mtalantikite 6y ago

I'd also suggest practicing nadi shodhana pranayama with breath retention. There is some evidence that holding your breath in a controlled way exercises your spleen, like endurance divers train for, which injects oxygenated red blood cells into circulation. [1][2] It obviously has an effect on respiratory capacity as well. [3] There are plenty of resources on Nadi Shodhana -- I'd suggest Iyengar's "Light on Pranayama" -- but I'd recommend starting with a 1:1:1 ratio of inhale:hold:exhale counts through alternate nostrils, then moving on to 1:2:2 and then 1:4:2. [1] https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/enlarged-spleen-key-diving-endurance-sea-nomads https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/news/enlarged-spleen-key-div... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3694106/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3694106/ [3] PDF warning: https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1113/EP086269 https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1113/EP086...