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There is legitimate evidence of Canadian researchers working on coronaviruses in bats smuggling something to the Wuhan lab. Arrests were made a month before peo
by allovernow 7y ago
There is legitimate evidence of Canadian researchers working on coronaviruses in bats smuggling something to the Wuhan lab. Arrests were made a month before people across the world were taking the virus seriously.
Also the lab in Wuhan has leaked at least one SARS strain in the past.
>They're no more responsible for the virus
Do you understand the conditions of the ubiquitous meat markets in China? Do you realize how easy it is for pathogens to spread when you stack wild animals in cages on top of each other, torture and butcher literally everything, wild animals off the street, in open air and on the literal ground?
The reality is that most of China is third world. Sorry, sometimes specific cultural practices are harmful to people and societies.
- 131012 7y agoCan you give a more substantial account of your 'legitimate evidence'? Until then, this is pure nonsense.
- allovernow 7y agoI'm on mobile so I don't have time to collate a bunch of sources for something you could search for online, so here's a link to a summary. NOTE: before you dismiss the source, notice that it is merely a commentary on a collection of individual sources that you can verify yourself. Now I do not agree with the conclusion in the link below, that this is a deliberate bioweapon, but there is ample circumstantial evidence here to at least presume that the virus could have leaked from the only level 4 biolab in China, which happens to be less than 10 miles from Wuhan. It's likely they were conducting legitimate research, all I'm pointing out is that the evidence for this actually coming from China is pretty good. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coronavirus-canada-and-weaponize-it https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coron...
- pinewurst 7y agoI fail to see how a link to a Russian disinformation site represents trustworthy sources.
- dang 7y agoPlease don't do this here.
- allovernow 7y agoThey have collected legitimate reports from e.g. the news. It's no less legitimate than a bunch of links on a Wikipedia page. Don't be lazy and dismiss this because you don't like the political leaning of zerohedge. >Russian disinformation site But we're just going to believe everything out of China without a second thought right now? Everything in that link, all the suspicious relationships, all the published research (arrested smugglers have published on coronavirus very recently) is verifiable. Don't be lazy.
- SonOfThePlower 7y agoI do not understand the reason for butchering wild life animals (e.g. bats). Is it belief system (e.g. traditional Chinese medicine) or they are just hungry?
- allovernow 7y agoBoth. Folk medicine is extremely common in China and the idea is that certain body parts from certain animals cure ailments/improve performance. Total backwards voodoo bullshit - like suppliments and crystals and homeopathy in the west, except animals are literally tortured over it. There's a reason you can find so many videos online of Chinese people torturing animals. There is a belief in China (and to a lesser extent in other nations like Korea and I believe Vietnam) that making animals suffer pre slaughter makes the meat tastier. And honestly it isn't a stretch that adrenal hormones released just before death can influence the flavor or texture of meat, but I don't know if that justifies cruelty...
- cksquare 7y agoAh, citation bruh?
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- thecleaner 7y agoThe virus smuggling thing cannot be linked to the outbreak. However the whole culture of consumimg exotic mammals really needs to stop. Wuhan had a flourishing underground animal market apart from the usual vast meat market where everything was consumable. This is bad. I do credit Chinese scientists for the fast gene sequencing that led to a test being developed but even if exotic meat consumption is a cultural thing it still needs to the phased out.
- yellowapple 7y agoEating exotic mammals would be less bad if the mammals and their meat were actually subject to the same health regulations as less-exotic mammals. That is: the problem ain't the animals themselves, but rather that they're being sold in a black or grey market instead of through more legitimate channels. This is a pretty common theme with black markets in general, on that note. See also: black market drugs being "cut" with harmful substances, black market sex labor being a vector for human trafficking and STDs, black market medical procedures being more susceptible to adverse outcomes, etc. There are other good reasons to not eat exotic mammals, of course (i.e. if doing so puts species at risk of extinction), but the sanitation issue seems solvable.
- dirtydroog 7y agoThere's a chance the meat is cooked with recycled 'gutter oil' too https://youtu.be/e7S7r31cjAQ https://youtu.be/e7S7r31cjAQ
- shostack 7y agoGot a credible source to link for your claim about Canada there?