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Will Korea sell us tests? Will anyone? Has this been discussed anywhere?

claudeganon 7y ago
The administration turned away from the German designed/WHO standard tests everyone else is using, so I don’t think any international ones are FDA approved. Today’s presser sure gave me the impression that the delay in testing was so they could roll out this nebulous private-public partnership drive through testing and I guess boost CVS’ stock price or something.
- ArtDev 7y ago
  I think the Trump administration saw the profit $$$ in test kits while ignoring the larger health and economic risks posed by a delay in testing. Now, it is too late and Trump is too thick-sculled to admit he was wrong.
  - egdod 7y ago
    What kind of cartoon villain do you think he is??
  - golemiprague 7y ago
    Trump is the one who banned travelling from China when all the left and media said it is because he is racist, then he banned travel from Europe which is not racist because they are white, he did this also pretty early. He is the one who advocated strong borders and returning manufacturing to the US and now signed the order to force manufacturing of certain medicines in the US rather than in China. He is the one who objected investing billions in "green new deals", imagine the economy had to deal now with this waste of money on some perceived future problem. In hindsight Trump was right about his anti globalisation and strong border control policies and did the right things at a reasonable timeline. So yes, he said some stupid stuff, who cares, it is better having someone who do the right things than say the right things.
- xienze 7y ago
  > they could roll out this nebulous private-public partnership drive through testing Realistically, how would you envision tests on this scale being performed? In theory, it’s a great plan. Pretty much everyone in the US is close to a Walmart/CVS/Target. Drive up, get swabbed, check results online. Fast and minimal human interaction. The implementation remains to be seen but I can’t imagine the alternative of having everyone rush doctor’s offices and hospitals working very well.
  - claudeganon 7y ago
    How they’re being performed in South Korea or any other country that’s doing tests at scale? American exceptionalism falls apart when countries around the world are outperforming your response.
    - 2snakes 7y ago
      According to the record by Mark Green from Tennessee, the test that South Korea is using was denied because of inadequacy by the FDA in the USA, and that test will not even be used for emergency purposes. https://www.c-span.org/video/?470277-1/federal-health-officials-testify-coronavirus-outbreak-response&start=3811# https://www.c-span.org/video/?470277-1/federal-health-offici...
pkaye 7y ago
The machines for this test are not approved in the US. Secondly even if that was waived, there it the issue of getting the machines here, setting them up and training people in the lab. And the reality is a huge number of countries also want these tests. I've read however that FDA just approved a new test on Roche lab equipment which many labs already have. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/scott-gottlieb-us-to-conduct-10000-coronavirus-tests-per-day-soon.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/scott-gottlieb-us-to-conduct...
- sanxiyn 7y ago
  I used to think this, but it is not true. Surprising, I know. Here is FDA authorization for CDC test: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download. The required machine is Applied Biosystems 7500, and CDC targeted it because it is approved, widely available, trained on, etc. in USA. Here is product information page from one of South Korean test suppliers: http://www.solgent.com/english/sub03020102/view/id/45 http://www.solgent.com/english/sub03020102/view/id/45. It is compatible with Bio-Rad CFX96 and Applied Biosystems 7500, and was approved as such in South Korea. While Bio-Rad's machine is more popular in South Korea, they obviously thought of exporting.
malandrew 7y ago
They can't. Not FDA approved.
mattchew 7y ago
Probably they would. WHO could also provide the USA with tests. We could do more testing domestically. Not only could we open up more testing now, but we could have opened it up weeks ago. We've chosen not to do this. Yes, it is utterly insane.
yfzhou 7y ago
Jack Ma just donated a bunch. https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fhvvzl/chinas_richest_man_jack_ma_donates_500000/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fhvvzl/chinas_... And as the situation in the US worsens to a certain point, I'm sure China would officially send supplies too like it's currently doing with Italy and Iran. Question is whether Trump will accept that.
Animats 7y ago
Jack Ma, the head of Alibaba, is donating 500,000 test kits to the US. Hopefully ones that work. Here's what you can buy on Alibaba.[1] Some of those are probably totally bogus. [1] https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=coronavirus+test+kit https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product...
dba7dba 7y ago
CNN article (March 12, 2020) on Seegene https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-... Seegene is in talks to export of the excess test kits to 30 countries including Germany and Italy. No mention of US.

The administration turned away from the German designed/WHO standard tests everyone else is using, so I don’t think any international ones are FDA approved. Today’s presser sure gave me the impression that the delay in testing was so they could roll out this nebulous private-public partnership drive through testing and I guess boost CVS’ stock price or something.

ArtDev 7y ago
I think the Trump administration saw the profit $$$ in test kits while ignoring the larger health and economic risks posed by a delay in testing. Now, it is too late and Trump is too thick-sculled to admit he was wrong.
- egdod 7y ago
  What kind of cartoon villain do you think he is??
- golemiprague 7y ago
  Trump is the one who banned travelling from China when all the left and media said it is because he is racist, then he banned travel from Europe which is not racist because they are white, he did this also pretty early. He is the one who advocated strong borders and returning manufacturing to the US and now signed the order to force manufacturing of certain medicines in the US rather than in China. He is the one who objected investing billions in "green new deals", imagine the economy had to deal now with this waste of money on some perceived future problem. In hindsight Trump was right about his anti globalisation and strong border control policies and did the right things at a reasonable timeline. So yes, he said some stupid stuff, who cares, it is better having someone who do the right things than say the right things.
xienze 7y ago
> they could roll out this nebulous private-public partnership drive through testing Realistically, how would you envision tests on this scale being performed? In theory, it’s a great plan. Pretty much everyone in the US is close to a Walmart/CVS/Target. Drive up, get swabbed, check results online. Fast and minimal human interaction. The implementation remains to be seen but I can’t imagine the alternative of having everyone rush doctor’s offices and hospitals working very well.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  How they’re being performed in South Korea or any other country that’s doing tests at scale? American exceptionalism falls apart when countries around the world are outperforming your response.
  - 2snakes 7y ago
    According to the record by Mark Green from Tennessee, the test that South Korea is using was denied because of inadequacy by the FDA in the USA, and that test will not even be used for emergency purposes. https://www.c-span.org/video/?470277-1/federal-health-officials-testify-coronavirus-outbreak-response&start=3811# https://www.c-span.org/video/?470277-1/federal-health-offici...

pkaye 7y ago

The machines for this test are not approved in the US. Secondly even if that was waived, there it the issue of getting the machines here, setting them up and training people in the lab. And the reality is a huge number of countries also want these tests. I've read however that FDA just approved a new test on Roche lab equipment which many labs already have. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/scott-gottlieb-us-to-conduct-10000-coronavirus-tests-per-day-soon.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/scott-gottlieb-us-to-conduct...

sanxiyn 7y ago
I used to think this, but it is not true. Surprising, I know. Here is FDA authorization for CDC test: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download. The required machine is Applied Biosystems 7500, and CDC targeted it because it is approved, widely available, trained on, etc. in USA. Here is product information page from one of South Korean test suppliers: http://www.solgent.com/english/sub03020102/view/id/45 http://www.solgent.com/english/sub03020102/view/id/45. It is compatible with Bio-Rad CFX96 and Applied Biosystems 7500, and was approved as such in South Korea. While Bio-Rad's machine is more popular in South Korea, they obviously thought of exporting.

malandrew 7y ago

They can't. Not FDA approved.

mattchew 7y ago

Probably they would. WHO could also provide the USA with tests. We could do more testing domestically. Not only could we open up more testing now, but we could have opened it up weeks ago. We've chosen not to do this. Yes, it is utterly insane.

yfzhou 7y ago

Jack Ma just donated a bunch. https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fhvvzl/chinas_richest_man_jack_ma_donates_500000/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fhvvzl/chinas_... And as the situation in the US worsens to a certain point, I'm sure China would officially send supplies too like it's currently doing with Italy and Iran. Question is whether Trump will accept that.

Animats 7y ago

Jack Ma, the head of Alibaba, is donating 500,000 test kits to the US. Hopefully ones that work. Here's what you can buy on Alibaba.[1] Some of those are probably totally bogus. [1] https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=coronavirus+test+kit https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product...

dba7dba 7y ago

CNN article (March 12, 2020) on Seegene https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-... Seegene is in talks to export of the excess test kits to 30 countries including Germany and Italy. No mention of US.