This is a 15-min portion from the complete hour and a half version, if that helps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c

This is a 15-min portion from the complete hour and a half version, if that helps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts Not here to state an opinion about Joe Rogan one way or the other, but listening to an expert who has thought about crises like these and dealt with other epidemics can be helpful.