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The french state holds a 15% stake in Renault according to Wikipedia so I doubt it's any coincidence. The government likely wants to give local manufacturers a

The french state holds a 15% stake in Renault according to Wikipedia so I doubt it's any coincidence. The government likely wants to give local manufacturers an advantage even if it means not playing fair. I don't know if it's right but I understand why they do it (jobs & tax revenue).

nraynaud 7y ago
I wouldn't read too much into their stake into Renault, they give a lot of money to PSA also. On the subject matter, Tesla cars are a problem, they are too big and heavy for Europe. And European car makers should stop increasing their car sizes too.
- hencoappel 7y ago
  > too big and heavy for Europe You do realise that a battery is very heavy? Also, just because you don't want a bigger car, doesn't mean that others don't, there are still lost of smaller cars around.
  - nraynaud 7y ago
    and those smaller cars get crushed in accidents, and pedestrians and bikes get killed and kids run over. This is a race to the bottom.
    - necovek 7y ago
      Well, with the whole push for more environmentally friendly transportation, a bigger car will need more energy to be taken places. Unfortunately, I can't comfortably sit in my current D-segment vehicle because I am taller than average (and there is no room in the back behind me), and any seating in buses or trains is even worse (not to mention airplanes). So while I'd love to get the smallest car possible, I am a bit restricted if I want to actually fit my family in. I want a small electric car for city driving though! My back will manage for short rides (I hope)!
  - vvillena 7y ago
    A Tesla Model S is almost 2 meters wide. That's wildly impractical everywhere in Europe.
    - lloeki 7y ago
      Most cars in Europe are 1.7-1.9 meters wide.
      - vvillena 7y ago
        Yes. Compact cars are usually 1.8m wide, subcompacts are usually around 1.7m, and bigger cars are about 1.9m. 2m puts a Tesla Model S in "midsize van" territory. Thats the size where you start having problems in some spots. For a private car, that's impractical.

nraynaud 7y ago

I wouldn't read too much into their stake into Renault, they give a lot of money to PSA also. On the subject matter, Tesla cars are a problem, they are too big and heavy for Europe. And European car makers should stop increasing their car sizes too.

hencoappel 7y ago
> too big and heavy for Europe You do realise that a battery is very heavy? Also, just because you don't want a bigger car, doesn't mean that others don't, there are still lost of smaller cars around.
- nraynaud 7y ago
  and those smaller cars get crushed in accidents, and pedestrians and bikes get killed and kids run over. This is a race to the bottom.
  - necovek 7y ago
    Well, with the whole push for more environmentally friendly transportation, a bigger car will need more energy to be taken places. Unfortunately, I can't comfortably sit in my current D-segment vehicle because I am taller than average (and there is no room in the back behind me), and any seating in buses or trains is even worse (not to mention airplanes). So while I'd love to get the smallest car possible, I am a bit restricted if I want to actually fit my family in. I want a small electric car for city driving though! My back will manage for short rides (I hope)!
- vvillena 7y ago
  A Tesla Model S is almost 2 meters wide. That's wildly impractical everywhere in Europe.
  - lloeki 7y ago
    Most cars in Europe are 1.7-1.9 meters wide.
    - vvillena 7y ago
      Yes. Compact cars are usually 1.8m wide, subcompacts are usually around 1.7m, and bigger cars are about 1.9m. 2m puts a Tesla Model S in "midsize van" territory. Thats the size where you start having problems in some spots. For a private car, that's impractical.