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Just wow. Fire the entire mobile division and get out of the market; you're cursed and/or hopelessly incapable of executing properly on anything in the space.

by Pooter 16y ago

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Pooter 16y ago
Thanks for having the courage to disagree through mods rather than comments. And thanks again for the continued cowardice.
- daeken 16y ago
  What is there to disagree with? There's effectively no content to your comment. "Fire them all" is not a solution to any technical problem.
  - Pooter 16y ago
    Actually, my solution was to fire the whole division AND get out of the market. And this isn't a technical problem; it's a process and culture problem. MS almost certainly has the technical and financial resources to have prevented this. The fact that they didn't points to an utterly dysfunctional company. Getting out of a market that they're rather obviously too hidebound or screwed up to compete in, is definitely a solution.
    - memoryfault 16y ago
      Your solution is rash and doesn't do much more than illustrate your ignorance. This article is one of the first reports, and doesn't even contain numbers in terms of how many users are affected. Sit back and wait for the real story to unfold, then make an analysis and contribute something. Simply bursting out with "Fire them all!" and the first report of a problem is childish at best.
    - bmelton 16y ago
      Yeah, like they got out of the game console market when they were getting red rings of death. Or that time Windows ME was complete and utter crap, and they completely got out of the operating system market. Or that time they did something else wrong, and instead of firing everybody and getting out of the market, they learned from their mistake, came back, and fared very well or perhaps dominated it. Microsoft, for all their power and ability, are not remotely above mistakes. They also do a pretty decent job of learning from them. I don't know of a home that doesn't have an Xbox 360 in it, or a home that doesn't have some installation of Windows in it. Sure, it takes them awhile to hit their stride, but the worst thing anybody can do is discount them as a strong competitor, in any market they're in.
      - neworbit 16y ago
        Cripes, really? Windows I'll give you, but Xbox isn't THAT popular.
        shadowpwner 16y ago
        I don't know if you're trolling, but Xboxes are one of the top selling consoles. See http://www.kokeytechnology.com/gadgets/xbox-360/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-ps3-sales-xbox-360-wins/ http://www.kokeytechnology.com/gadgets/xbox-360/xbox-360-vs-... for a random example.
        neworbit 16y ago
        Nah, I'm serious - lot of folks have no interest in game consoles, and for those who do, my understanding was that the Wii outsold them both put together.
        Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
        Not necessarily disputing your point but those figures are for 2008. Current sales figures are roughly 50m worldwide sales for the 360, 48m worldwide for the PS3 (having been available for a year less), 85m sales for the Wii. For reference worldwide sales for the PS2 are currently 150m (and still selling). All figures for Dec 2010 / Jan 2011. Worth noting that if those figures don't tally with what you see around you, the Xbox360 is way bigger than the PS3 in the USA (18m to 10m I think), the PS3 either equals or beats it in all other markets (notably Japan and Europe). So yes it's "one of the top selling consoles" and 50m units isn't exactly chopped liver, but it's pretty much third equal in the market. Also worth noting that the whole Xbox division has lost massive amounts over all time (though it's now profitable, it's never recouped the original investment). But I would agree with the point that while they take time to hit their stride, they do get there and I think Kinnect is a good example of the fact that they're now executing pretty well in this space and indeed innovating which isn't usually a word you'd associate with Microsoft.
    - xentronium 16y ago
      Woah, that's a whole lot of bashing. It sounds like a serious fuckup, of course, but we don't know a single detail yet. It could be carriers screwing with firmware, for example.

Just wow. Fire the entire mobile division and get out of the market; you're cursed and/or hopelessly incapable of executing properly on anything in the space.

by Pooter 16y ago

Just wow. Fire the entire mobile division and get out of the market; you're cursed and/or hopelessly incapable of executing properly on anything in the space.

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Pooter 16y ago

Thanks for having the courage to disagree through mods rather than comments. And thanks again for the continued cowardice.

daeken 16y ago
What is there to disagree with? There's effectively no content to your comment. "Fire them all" is not a solution to any technical problem.
- Pooter 16y ago
  Actually, my solution was to fire the whole division AND get out of the market. And this isn't a technical problem; it's a process and culture problem. MS almost certainly has the technical and financial resources to have prevented this. The fact that they didn't points to an utterly dysfunctional company. Getting out of a market that they're rather obviously too hidebound or screwed up to compete in, is definitely a solution.
  - memoryfault 16y ago
    Your solution is rash and doesn't do much more than illustrate your ignorance. This article is one of the first reports, and doesn't even contain numbers in terms of how many users are affected. Sit back and wait for the real story to unfold, then make an analysis and contribute something. Simply bursting out with "Fire them all!" and the first report of a problem is childish at best.
  - bmelton 16y ago
    Yeah, like they got out of the game console market when they were getting red rings of death. Or that time Windows ME was complete and utter crap, and they completely got out of the operating system market. Or that time they did something else wrong, and instead of firing everybody and getting out of the market, they learned from their mistake, came back, and fared very well or perhaps dominated it. Microsoft, for all their power and ability, are not remotely above mistakes. They also do a pretty decent job of learning from them. I don't know of a home that doesn't have an Xbox 360 in it, or a home that doesn't have some installation of Windows in it. Sure, it takes them awhile to hit their stride, but the worst thing anybody can do is discount them as a strong competitor, in any market they're in.
    - neworbit 16y ago
      Cripes, really? Windows I'll give you, but Xbox isn't THAT popular.
      - shadowpwner 16y ago
        I don't know if you're trolling, but Xboxes are one of the top selling consoles. See http://www.kokeytechnology.com/gadgets/xbox-360/xbox-360-vs-playstation-3-ps3-sales-xbox-360-wins/ http://www.kokeytechnology.com/gadgets/xbox-360/xbox-360-vs-... for a random example.
        neworbit 16y ago
        Nah, I'm serious - lot of folks have no interest in game consoles, and for those who do, my understanding was that the Wii outsold them both put together.
        Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
        Not necessarily disputing your point but those figures are for 2008. Current sales figures are roughly 50m worldwide sales for the 360, 48m worldwide for the PS3 (having been available for a year less), 85m sales for the Wii. For reference worldwide sales for the PS2 are currently 150m (and still selling). All figures for Dec 2010 / Jan 2011. Worth noting that if those figures don't tally with what you see around you, the Xbox360 is way bigger than the PS3 in the USA (18m to 10m I think), the PS3 either equals or beats it in all other markets (notably Japan and Europe). So yes it's "one of the top selling consoles" and 50m units isn't exactly chopped liver, but it's pretty much third equal in the market. Also worth noting that the whole Xbox division has lost massive amounts over all time (though it's now profitable, it's never recouped the original investment). But I would agree with the point that while they take time to hit their stride, they do get there and I think Kinnect is a good example of the fact that they're now executing pretty well in this space and indeed innovating which isn't usually a word you'd associate with Microsoft.
  - xentronium 16y ago
    Woah, that's a whole lot of bashing. It sounds like a serious fuckup, of course, but we don't know a single detail yet. It could be carriers screwing with firmware, for example.