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It is possible, I have done it myself eating a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. Also, in my case I was also already in ketosis for an extended period of time, m

It is possible, I have done it myself eating a lot of eggs and fatty red meat. Also, in my case I was also already in ketosis for an extended period of time, meaning my microbiome and cells were primed for ketosis. That said I have also done carnivore and also not been in ketosis, which I think is probably the norm for most people on carnivore because the protein/fat ratios aren't right. The commonality in ketosis carnivore and non-ketosis carnivore is removal of refined sugar/carbs which means no insulin spikes, which means steady levels of energy without crashing.

wirrbel 7y ago
Meat also raises insulin, much less than carbs, but on a carnivore diet I can imagine this to happen. The keto diet with ratios has been designed as a diet for epileptics, so in a ratio that maintains both body weight in a healthy range and induces ketosis and avoids ceizures (note: 1920s medicine or something). So the high fat content kind of is there to actually give you the energy so that you don't loose weight. One aspect of the "carnivore" diet that is often overlooked, a "human carnivore in the stone age" will not have lived off of chicken breast and lean beef cuts, but easten the entire animal, i.e. the fat cuts as well that are surprisingly hard to get in a western country.
- cageface 7y ago
  Meat raises insulin levels significantly. A steak spikes your insulin harder than a plate of spaghetti.
  - lanternslight 7y ago
    Study link?
    - cageface 7y ago
      Consult any chart of the glycemic index of various foods.
  - pengaru 7y ago
    They're pretty close according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index "White pasta" 40 ±5 vs. "Beef" 51 ±16
    - dabraham1248 7y ago
      1) That's per 250 kcal. A plate of pasta has significantly fewer calories than a plate of steak. Sauces on either can alter this, but they'll likely have their own indices to pay attention to. 2) The low ends are equal. The high ends are off by a factor of 1.5. I think that the real question is "What will happen to my insulin if I eat a meal of pasta vs, a meal of steak?". To that, I think that the steak will in fact spike your insulin much higher than the pasta. That said the beef has a higher satiety score (by almost exactly the same ratio as the high end insulin ratio). Again, sauces, what your body needs right now, what you'll eat for your next meal,... lots of things can alter the overall health perspective.

wirrbel 7y ago

Meat also raises insulin, much less than carbs, but on a carnivore diet I can imagine this to happen. The keto diet with ratios has been designed as a diet for epileptics, so in a ratio that maintains both body weight in a healthy range and induces ketosis and avoids ceizures (note: 1920s medicine or something). So the high fat content kind of is there to actually give you the energy so that you don't loose weight. One aspect of the "carnivore" diet that is often overlooked, a "human carnivore in the stone age" will not have lived off of chicken breast and lean beef cuts, but easten the entire animal, i.e. the fat cuts as well that are surprisingly hard to get in a western country.

cageface 7y ago
Meat raises insulin levels significantly. A steak spikes your insulin harder than a plate of spaghetti.
- lanternslight 7y ago
  Study link?
  - cageface 7y ago
    Consult any chart of the glycemic index of various foods.
- pengaru 7y ago
  They're pretty close according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index "White pasta" 40 ±5 vs. "Beef" 51 ±16
  - dabraham1248 7y ago
    1) That's per 250 kcal. A plate of pasta has significantly fewer calories than a plate of steak. Sauces on either can alter this, but they'll likely have their own indices to pay attention to. 2) The low ends are equal. The high ends are off by a factor of 1.5. I think that the real question is "What will happen to my insulin if I eat a meal of pasta vs, a meal of steak?". To that, I think that the steak will in fact spike your insulin much higher than the pasta. That said the beef has a higher satiety score (by almost exactly the same ratio as the high end insulin ratio). Again, sauces, what your body needs right now, what you'll eat for your next meal,... lots of things can alter the overall health perspective.