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Within the context, this is about the spying and signals intelligence. We don't usually talk about an foreign agency being pure evil when they tap fiber lines,

Within the context, this is about the spying and signals intelligence. We don't usually talk about an foreign agency being pure evil when they tap fiber lines, we do when they murder or massacre.

thulecitizen 7y ago
“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn In the digital age, information is everything. And information usually precedes action, so in my eyes your argument is wilfully ignorant to the larger reality of a complex globalized world. I think the US and other Global North countries have a massive shadow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I If unfamiliar, this is a guide to Jung's concept of the shadow: https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious/ https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious...
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  All of that is mere sophistry to justify their crimes. It is an addictive toxic meme like "neccessity" as it at best escalates from any actual neccessity to excusing mistakes to whatever is convenient to whatever they /think/ will help even if actively detrimental like torturing for information. This sort of delusion has a long history - often found as societies rail against "decadence" when it is really what they consider virtue which will be their inevitable downfall. The secret is that information doesn't matter to the evil fools, it is all a pretext for self justification whether consciously or otherwise. In order for the delusional evil to die and stay dead the secret must be widely exposed.
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- thulecitizen 7y ago
  Fuck. I wrote this before and then edited, without realizing that now my main argument has become for the opposite of what I intended it to be for. Now I can't edit it. Original post: "Wow very selective mind you've got there. Please tell me this is a joke? In the digital age, information is everything. And information usually precedes action, so in my eyes your argument is wilfully ignorant to the larger reality of a complex globalized world. I think the US and other Global North countries have a massive shadow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I Guide to Jung and the shadow: https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious" https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious...
wmeredith 7y ago
You have a very rosy view that I do not share. Donald Trump: “I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” Trump Eric Bolling (Fox and Friends): “Well, you killed them, Donald,” Donald Trump: “Well, he is damaging America.”
matheusmoreira 7y ago
Are you saying US agencies don't torture and murder people?
- varjag 7y ago
  You start at "within the context".

Within the context, this is about the spying and signals intelligence. We don't usually talk about an foreign agency being pure evil when they tap fiber lines, we do when they murder or massacre.

thulecitizen 7y ago

“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn In the digital age, information is everything. And information usually precedes action, so in my eyes your argument is wilfully ignorant to the larger reality of a complex globalized world. I think the US and other Global North countries have a massive shadow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I If unfamiliar, this is a guide to Jung's concept of the shadow: https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious/ https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious...

Nasrudith 7y ago
All of that is mere sophistry to justify their crimes. It is an addictive toxic meme like "neccessity" as it at best escalates from any actual neccessity to excusing mistakes to whatever is convenient to whatever they /think/ will help even if actively detrimental like torturing for information. This sort of delusion has a long history - often found as societies rail against "decadence" when it is really what they consider virtue which will be their inevitable downfall. The secret is that information doesn't matter to the evil fools, it is all a pretext for self justification whether consciously or otherwise. In order for the delusional evil to die and stay dead the secret must be widely exposed.
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thulecitizen 7y ago
Fuck. I wrote this before and then edited, without realizing that now my main argument has become for the opposite of what I intended it to be for. Now I can't edit it. Original post: "Wow very selective mind you've got there. Please tell me this is a joke? In the digital age, information is everything. And information usually precedes action, so in my eyes your argument is wilfully ignorant to the larger reality of a complex globalized world. I think the US and other Global North countries have a massive shadow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I Guide to Jung and the shadow: https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious" https://highexistence.com/carl-jung-shadow-guide-unconscious...

wmeredith 7y ago

You have a very rosy view that I do not share. Donald Trump: “I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” Trump Eric Bolling (Fox and Friends): “Well, you killed them, Donald,” Donald Trump: “Well, he is damaging America.”

matheusmoreira 7y ago

Are you saying US agencies don't torture and murder people?

varjag 7y ago
You start at "within the context".