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Thats for me the most frustrating thing with GCP, AWS and Azure. I would never use them as a very early small 3 people startup or for private reasons. There is

by bluhbi 7y ago

Thats for me the most frustrating thing with GCP, AWS and Azure. I would never use them as a very early small 3 people startup or for private reasons. There is no billing protection (which could make you very poor very fast) and every service has a certain cost and quality which is just not feasable in the beginning. Even GKE with its free kubernetes master does block a lot of resources on the nodes: https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/concepts/cluster-architecture#node_allocatable https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/concepts/clu... Also a ton of great features on gke you will probably never use if you are too small. It is so much cheaper to just get cheap hardware somewhere and put your own k8s onto it if you have more time then money. Even on Digital Ocean you have the load balancer problem: you need to use the provided and also 'costly' LoadBalancer service. There is only one hacky way to prevent it by exposing your ingress on the host and mapping that one ip but then you loose all the self healing stuff and loadbalancing capability.

fosk 7y ago
> you loose all the self healing stuff and loadbalancing capability. I mean, yes? You can either build your own for “free”, or pay for the value-add features DO provides that you have described. I don’t see where the problem is.
ak217 7y ago
Both AWS and Google offer free tier products and pay-for-what-you-use products. Reserved instance pricing starts at around $25/year. Many other incredibly useful products (S3, Lambda, VPC, etc.) are free with an instance or start at $0. You can set billing alerts that will project your monthly budget every hour, and send you an alert when it's projected to be exceeded. IMHO your claim (that there is an entry cost barrier) is the opposite of reality. AWS and Google have brought incredible power and choice to developers starting at zero initial cost.
- fluuuhi 7y ago
  My main concern is, that i can't define an upper limit. My billing alert is nice and im aware of it, but it doesn't help you if someone takes over your account, mines bitcoins on expensive machines and a day later you read your email.
  - ak217 7y ago
    AWS refunds you when that happens. The fundamental issue with setting a limit is it's technically infeasible to decide what to do when it's exceeded. They have no way of knowing what assets to terminate. The way to avoid what you describe is to shut off access to APIs that you don't want to use, and keep your credentials safe.
  - pbalau 7y ago
    AWS has budgets that do exactly what you want. For the "cost budget": "Monitor your costs against a specified dollar amount and receive alerts when your user-defined thresholds are met."
scarface74 7y ago
If I’m running a startup trying to develop a product with limited staff, the last thing I want to be worried about is the “undifferentiated heavy lifting”. I want to be concentrating on what is going to add business value. Then again, I know enough about AWS and how to control my cost.
amq 7y ago
Good point about GKE blocking resources on the nodes. I wish they would at least allow more control over that with the introduction of the master fees.

by bluhbi 7y ago

fosk 7y ago

> you loose all the self healing stuff and loadbalancing capability. I mean, yes? You can either build your own for “free”, or pay for the value-add features DO provides that you have described. I don’t see where the problem is.

ak217 7y ago

Both AWS and Google offer free tier products and pay-for-what-you-use products. Reserved instance pricing starts at around $25/year. Many other incredibly useful products (S3, Lambda, VPC, etc.) are free with an instance or start at $0. You can set billing alerts that will project your monthly budget every hour, and send you an alert when it's projected to be exceeded. IMHO your claim (that there is an entry cost barrier) is the opposite of reality. AWS and Google have brought incredible power and choice to developers starting at zero initial cost.

fluuuhi 7y ago
My main concern is, that i can't define an upper limit. My billing alert is nice and im aware of it, but it doesn't help you if someone takes over your account, mines bitcoins on expensive machines and a day later you read your email.
- ak217 7y ago
  AWS refunds you when that happens. The fundamental issue with setting a limit is it's technically infeasible to decide what to do when it's exceeded. They have no way of knowing what assets to terminate. The way to avoid what you describe is to shut off access to APIs that you don't want to use, and keep your credentials safe.
- pbalau 7y ago
  AWS has budgets that do exactly what you want. For the "cost budget": "Monitor your costs against a specified dollar amount and receive alerts when your user-defined thresholds are met."

scarface74 7y ago

If I’m running a startup trying to develop a product with limited staff, the last thing I want to be worried about is the “undifferentiated heavy lifting”. I want to be concentrating on what is going to add business value. Then again, I know enough about AWS and how to control my cost.

amq 7y ago

Good point about GKE blocking resources on the nodes. I wish they would at least allow more control over that with the introduction of the master fees.