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He did it because Hugo boss is suing tons of small business with a name including "BOSS" in order to hurt them financially.

by pysxul 7y ago

OJFord 7y ago
I think GP means that it's a (probably registered) trademark, which is distinct from 'copyright'.
- thom 7y ago
  And, at the very least, it means that Hugo can't get a passport using his new name: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/548220/Annex_A_passports_August_2016.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
  - Angostura 7y ago
    It should also be pointed out that the Deed Poll pictured isn't an official document in any meaningful sense. In the UK, you pretty much change your name by starting to use a new name and telling all the official bodies that you have done so - and asking for new paperwork in that name (including passports etc). These Deed Poll forms are produced by any number of paralegal-esque companies and are useful to include when writing to your bank/utility conpany, but that's about it.
    - codeulike 7y ago
      To be precise: You will need a Deed Poll, which is a piece of paper with certain words on it, and it needs to be signed and witnessed, but you can make one yourself and you dont need an official body or lawyer to do it.
      - Angostura 7y ago
        Correct - and here are the certain words. https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-... “I [old name] of [your address] have given up my name [old name] and have adopted for all purposes the name [new name]. “Signed as a deed on [date] as [old name] and [new name] in the presence of [witness 1 name] of [witness 1 address], and [witness 2 name] of [witness 2 address]. “[your new signature], [your old signature] “[witness 1 signature], [witness 2 signature]”
    - arethuza 7y ago
      There does appear to be a central process for doing it in Scotland: https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-of-forename-and-surname-in-scotland https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-... Edit: Being married to Scots law lawyer I feel obliged to point these things out any time I see a mention of a "UK" legal system... ;-)
      - Angostura 7y ago
        As an English person, I would like to both apologise and thank you for pointing out the difference and challenging my default assumption.
  - OJFord 7y ago
    Good point, though it does make me wonder what happens if your name (say, from birth, or even if not) predates the trademark. Does trademark registration similarly check against registered births? And deaths (to allow them again, if no new births)?
  - bloak 7y ago
    That's a strange rule! It's the definite article in "the owner of that trademark" that confuses me. The same word could be a registered trademark in each of about 45 classes, with a different owner for each mark. Perhaps the next logical step for this comedian is to find a class in which Hugo Boss is not registered and register his own trademark in that class. Then he can give himself permission to use his own name. Or something. I actually have no idea how the rule in the the linked document would be applied in practice. Perhaps in practice they don't care about trademarks if the name is an ordinary name, like "John Smith", for example. Which is almost certainly also a trademark ... I've just checked (https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext): JOHN SMITH matches a bunch of different trademarks, and if you include JOHN SMITH'S then there are even more of them.
bgeeek 7y ago
I thought I read somewhere that they were suing charities (?), which if true leaves me feeling it’s not so much of a bad thing that he’s doing.
- frostburg 7y ago
  It's a brand that built its success on nazi collaborationism, its extremely hard to feel sorry about any struggle it might have.
  - buran77 7y ago
    This is quite a gross generalization. Do you often get judged for the sins of your predecessors? And if you buy anything from Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, Siemens, IBM, Kodak, Volkswagen, Bayer, Allianz, Coca Cola (yes, that Coca Cola), Chase, Standard Oil (Exxon, BP, Chevron) and many, many others what does that say about your principles?
    - Y-bar 7y ago
      One isn’t allowed to criticise one wrongdoing without also making sure to expressively criticise every other similar wrongdoing? Is that what we have come to?
      - buran77 7y ago
        I didn't ask them to criticize, just if they feel the same about every similar brand. I guess it all depends on how you define hypocrisy.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
  - ed_balls 7y ago
    and Apple is using slave labor TODAY https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22457389 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22457389
  - deleted 7y ago

He did it because Hugo boss is suing tons of small business with a name including "BOSS" in order to hurt them financially.

by pysxul 7y ago

He did it because Hugo boss is suing tons of small business with a name including "BOSS" in order to hurt them financially.

OJFord 7y ago

I think GP means that it's a (probably registered) trademark, which is distinct from 'copyright'.

thom 7y ago
And, at the very least, it means that Hugo can't get a passport using his new name: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/548220/Annex_A_passports_August_2016.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
- Angostura 7y ago
  It should also be pointed out that the Deed Poll pictured isn't an official document in any meaningful sense. In the UK, you pretty much change your name by starting to use a new name and telling all the official bodies that you have done so - and asking for new paperwork in that name (including passports etc). These Deed Poll forms are produced by any number of paralegal-esque companies and are useful to include when writing to your bank/utility conpany, but that's about it.
  - codeulike 7y ago
    To be precise: You will need a Deed Poll, which is a piece of paper with certain words on it, and it needs to be signed and witnessed, but you can make one yourself and you dont need an official body or lawyer to do it.
    - Angostura 7y ago
      Correct - and here are the certain words. https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-... “I [old name] of [your address] have given up my name [old name] and have adopted for all purposes the name [new name]. “Signed as a deed on [date] as [old name] and [new name] in the presence of [witness 1 name] of [witness 1 address], and [witness 2 name] of [witness 2 address]. “[your new signature], [your old signature] “[witness 1 signature], [witness 2 signature]”
  - arethuza 7y ago
    There does appear to be a central process for doing it in Scotland: https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-of-forename-and-surname-in-scotland https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-... Edit: Being married to Scots law lawyer I feel obliged to point these things out any time I see a mention of a "UK" legal system... ;-)
    - Angostura 7y ago
      As an English person, I would like to both apologise and thank you for pointing out the difference and challenging my default assumption.
- OJFord 7y ago
  Good point, though it does make me wonder what happens if your name (say, from birth, or even if not) predates the trademark. Does trademark registration similarly check against registered births? And deaths (to allow them again, if no new births)?
- bloak 7y ago
  That's a strange rule! It's the definite article in "the owner of that trademark" that confuses me. The same word could be a registered trademark in each of about 45 classes, with a different owner for each mark. Perhaps the next logical step for this comedian is to find a class in which Hugo Boss is not registered and register his own trademark in that class. Then he can give himself permission to use his own name. Or something. I actually have no idea how the rule in the the linked document would be applied in practice. Perhaps in practice they don't care about trademarks if the name is an ordinary name, like "John Smith", for example. Which is almost certainly also a trademark ... I've just checked (https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext): JOHN SMITH matches a bunch of different trademarks, and if you include JOHN SMITH'S then there are even more of them.

bgeeek 7y ago

I thought I read somewhere that they were suing charities (?), which if true leaves me feeling it’s not so much of a bad thing that he’s doing.

frostburg 7y ago
It's a brand that built its success on nazi collaborationism, its extremely hard to feel sorry about any struggle it might have.
- buran77 7y ago
  This is quite a gross generalization. Do you often get judged for the sins of your predecessors? And if you buy anything from Ford, Mercedes, Porsche, Siemens, IBM, Kodak, Volkswagen, Bayer, Allianz, Coca Cola (yes, that Coca Cola), Chase, Standard Oil (Exxon, BP, Chevron) and many, many others what does that say about your principles?
  - Y-bar 7y ago
    One isn’t allowed to criticise one wrongdoing without also making sure to expressively criticise every other similar wrongdoing? Is that what we have come to?
    - buran77 7y ago
      I didn't ask them to criticize, just if they feel the same about every similar brand. I guess it all depends on how you define hypocrisy.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
- ed_balls 7y ago
  and Apple is using slave labor TODAY https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22457389 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22457389
- deleted 7y ago