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Too little, too late. Github has won.

Lewisham 16y ago
My feelings exactly. SF still looks like some cheap JIRA install, not a hacker-friendly user-facing site like GitHub. I get the impression they're undermanned, underfunded and under the weight of their technical debt. You just can't do all the cool things GitHub can when you're supporting SVN (do they still do CVS too?).
- illumen 16y ago
  They support cvs, svn, git, hg, and bzr. Very impressive. Overall their website navigation seems to be heaps better. I know this rewrite has been a long time coming. I know it's also been done in python, and by some quite good developers - so I'm guessing they will progress faster now (assuming they all still have jobs).
dschobel 16y ago
I'm happy to not bury SF just yet, just in case Oracle or someone of that ilk decide to send a few suitcases filled with money to the GitHub guys.
- SwellJoe 16y ago
  On this front, I think SourceForge deserves a lot of respect. They've weathered acquisitions, had to find monetization methods, and through it all they've remained dedicated supporters of Open Source. The amount of money and effort they've invested in Open Source development infrastructure is admirable. It's not beautiful, and it's got a lot of warts...but SF.net has its heart in the right place, which is something github has not yet proven.
davidw 16y ago
I'm not sure there are enough network effects to make it a winner take all market. Especially since systems like git make it so very easy to migrate elsewhere.
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axod 16y ago
Uh you're high. You're in a bubble... Quantcast: http://www.quantcast.com/profile/trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Anet.sourceforge&wunit1=wd:com.github&drg=&dty=pp&gl=6mo&reachType=period&dtr=dm&width=522&country=UK&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true&v=-1957318692 http://www.quantcast.com/profile/trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Anet... Trends: http://trends.google.com/websites?q=sourceforge.net,+github.com&sa=N http://trends.google.com/websites?q=sourceforge.net,+github.... Alexa: http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=r&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=2y&u=sourceforge.net&&u=github.com&#38 http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&...; By what measure are you talking about? Ah of course. The "It's shiny new so hot right now within my small circle of friends!" metric.
- rimantas 16y ago
  Is "projects moving to github" good enough measure for you?
  - axod 16y ago
    Only if it's backed up by data, but traffic is increasing to sourceforge, not decreasing.
- pjhyett 16y ago
  The vast majority of the traffic that hits Sourceforge is there to download software, not contribute to the projects. When we spoke to them a few years ago, they said their main competitor was Downloads.com not us (GitHub). Don't get too caught up using graphs to assume relevancy, Myspace still gets a lot of traffic.
  - axod 16y ago
    and traffic = mindshare = $$$ My point was that "Github has won against sf" is a rather naive comment. And as you rightly point out, github and sourceforge aren't really in competing markets anyway - making the original comment even more nonsensical.
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djhworld 16y ago
Well, probably not according to the stats. But for me, personally, Github has won, I prefer it when projects have a Github repo
SwellJoe 16y ago
We use both. SourceForge brings to the table a huge distribution network. Webmin burns terabytes of transfer for millions of downloads every year. I'm not sure github is even in the game on that front, are they? They also host the webmin.com domain, for the time being, which saves us some bandwidth, as well. But, we never used the VCS at SourceForge, and we barely touch the forums and bug tracker...if we could turn them off, we would.

My feelings exactly. SF still looks like some cheap JIRA install, not a hacker-friendly user-facing site like GitHub. I get the impression they're undermanned, underfunded and under the weight of their technical debt. You just can't do all the cool things GitHub can when you're supporting SVN (do they still do CVS too?).

illumen 16y ago
They support cvs, svn, git, hg, and bzr. Very impressive. Overall their website navigation seems to be heaps better. I know this rewrite has been a long time coming. I know it's also been done in python, and by some quite good developers - so I'm guessing they will progress faster now (assuming they all still have jobs).

dschobel 16y ago

I'm happy to not bury SF just yet, just in case Oracle or someone of that ilk decide to send a few suitcases filled with money to the GitHub guys.

SwellJoe 16y ago
On this front, I think SourceForge deserves a lot of respect. They've weathered acquisitions, had to find monetization methods, and through it all they've remained dedicated supporters of Open Source. The amount of money and effort they've invested in Open Source development infrastructure is admirable. It's not beautiful, and it's got a lot of warts...but SF.net has its heart in the right place, which is something github has not yet proven.

davidw 16y ago

I'm not sure there are enough network effects to make it a winner take all market. Especially since systems like git make it so very easy to migrate elsewhere.

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axod 16y ago

Uh you're high. You're in a bubble... Quantcast: http://www.quantcast.com/profile/trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Anet.sourceforge&wunit1=wd:com.github&drg=&dty=pp&gl=6mo&reachType=period&dtr=dm&width=522&country=UK&ggt=large&showDeleteButtons=true&v=-1957318692 http://www.quantcast.com/profile/trafficGraph?wunit=wd%3Anet... Trends: http://trends.google.com/websites?q=sourceforge.net,+github.com&sa=N http://trends.google.com/websites?q=sourceforge.net,+github.... Alexa: http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=r&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=2y&u=sourceforge.net&&u=github.com&#38 http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=400&h=220&o=f&...; By what measure are you talking about? Ah of course. The "It's shiny new so hot right now within my small circle of friends!" metric.

rimantas 16y ago
Is "projects moving to github" good enough measure for you?
- axod 16y ago
  Only if it's backed up by data, but traffic is increasing to sourceforge, not decreasing.
pjhyett 16y ago
The vast majority of the traffic that hits Sourceforge is there to download software, not contribute to the projects. When we spoke to them a few years ago, they said their main competitor was Downloads.com not us (GitHub). Don't get too caught up using graphs to assume relevancy, Myspace still gets a lot of traffic.
- axod 16y ago
  and traffic = mindshare = $$$ My point was that "Github has won against sf" is a rather naive comment. And as you rightly point out, github and sourceforge aren't really in competing markets anyway - making the original comment even more nonsensical.
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djhworld 16y ago

Well, probably not according to the stats. But for me, personally, Github has won, I prefer it when projects have a Github repo

SwellJoe 16y ago

We use both. SourceForge brings to the table a huge distribution network. Webmin burns terabytes of transfer for millions of downloads every year. I'm not sure github is even in the game on that front, are they? They also host the webmin.com domain, for the time being, which saves us some bandwidth, as well. But, we never used the VCS at SourceForge, and we barely touch the forums and bug tracker...if we could turn them off, we would.