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Windows 10 was the last nail in the coffin for Windows....

by OrgNet 7y ago

HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
Windows 10 seems to run faster on older computers than even 7 did. Not saying it's my favorite thing, but rolling updates and decent built-in anti-malware make it a fairly good option these days, and with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) and Multipass, there's a lot of Linux stuff that can be done on Windows. IMO, Windows 10, the separated kernel stuff they're doing, and their current support for Open Source software is the best thing Microsoft has done in a long time. Hopefully they don't get to Extinguish this time.
- chiefalchemist 7y ago
  I've a long time Windows user. Lately, I've been considering a switch to MBP but the cost is ridiculous. I'm now thinking my best choice is to upgrade my hardware and do a deep dive in Windows Subsystem of Linux. That would give me the best of both world, yes?
- technofiend 7y ago
  >Not saying it's my favorite thing, but rolling updates and decent built-in anti-malware make it a fairly good option these days, and with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) and Multipass, there's a lot of Linux stuff that can be done on Windows. Those are great features and welcome to keep Windows 10 machines from turning into yet another botnet. But for some people the concern isn't about updates, it's about privacy. And frankly unless you otherwise need to use your Windows PC, there's no compelling reason to use it over a Linux machine. >IMO, Windows 10, the separated kernel stuff they're doing, and their current support for Open Source software is the best thing Microsoft has done in a long time. Yes they're doing a great job of improving Windows and converging Windows into a useful platform for Linux developers. However Microsoft being Microsoft there's always the fear this is another Embrace, Extend, Extinguish initiative. And here's the irony - as it becomes easier to do Linuxy things in Windows, it also becomes apparent that except for Windows-only tasks, there's no compelling reason to prefer Windows over Linux. Particularly in light of their mandatory user data collection. At some point perhaps Microsoft will relent and make their Semi-annual Channel and Long Term Service Channel licenses more generally available. But for now their data collection is turning some privacy-minded people away from Windows. If I could pay a reasonable price and reclaim my privacy I suppose I would, despite the fact this is Microsoft taking something from me and then charging me to get it back. But the cost of entry for a legitimate license to a less invasive version of Windows is just too high; hundreds for a mini purchase of servers + some CALs, or several hundred for a Visual Studio (formerly MSDN) Subscription. I've met Microsoft in the middle and purchased a license but run it in a VM. The VM is on just long enough to patch itself and do the Windows-only things I need to do such as run Tax Cut to fill out this year's tax return. Sure I could ditch Windows and do my taxes online but that's just feeding my data into another marketing machine. I can't and don't claim to represent the majority view, but I doubt I'm alone in having marketing / data collection fatigue. And frankly I do resent Microsoft's deciding data collection is the new minimum price of entry to use their software. In short: you're right they're doing some great things, but (for some of us) it's not about that. My apologies if that comes off a bit ranty. I suppose it's a hot button issue for me.
chiefalchemist 7y ago
Perhaps. But if Linux went mainstream it would probably undermine Apple more than Microsoft. A colleague, who is far more technical than I am, recently said, "I use Apple because it smooths out the bumps. Otherwise, I'd using Linux locally."
- renw0rp 7y ago
  I use Linux over Mac at home for this exact reason. What they call "Full screen mode" on Mac is a joke. Plus it's always fun to watch people trying to get external display to work with their Macs during the meetings at work...
  - chiefalchemist 7y ago
    Can you elaborate on hardware and such? Share sites that'll help me make the shift? Especially using Linux within Win 10 Pro. Thx
ailideex 7y ago
Wish this was true, but I doubt it.

Windows 10 was the last nail in the coffin for Windows....

by OrgNet 7y ago

Windows 10 was the last nail in the coffin for Windows....

Windows 10 seems to run faster on older computers than even 7 did. Not saying it's my favorite thing, but rolling updates and decent built-in anti-malware make it a fairly good option these days, and with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) and Multipass, there's a lot of Linux stuff that can be done on Windows. IMO, Windows 10, the separated kernel stuff they're doing, and their current support for Open Source software is the best thing Microsoft has done in a long time. Hopefully they don't get to Extinguish this time.

chiefalchemist 7y ago
I've a long time Windows user. Lately, I've been considering a switch to MBP but the cost is ridiculous. I'm now thinking my best choice is to upgrade my hardware and do a deep dive in Windows Subsystem of Linux. That would give me the best of both world, yes?
technofiend 7y ago
>Not saying it's my favorite thing, but rolling updates and decent built-in anti-malware make it a fairly good option these days, and with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) and Multipass, there's a lot of Linux stuff that can be done on Windows. Those are great features and welcome to keep Windows 10 machines from turning into yet another botnet. But for some people the concern isn't about updates, it's about privacy. And frankly unless you otherwise need to use your Windows PC, there's no compelling reason to use it over a Linux machine. >IMO, Windows 10, the separated kernel stuff they're doing, and their current support for Open Source software is the best thing Microsoft has done in a long time. Yes they're doing a great job of improving Windows and converging Windows into a useful platform for Linux developers. However Microsoft being Microsoft there's always the fear this is another Embrace, Extend, Extinguish initiative. And here's the irony - as it becomes easier to do Linuxy things in Windows, it also becomes apparent that except for Windows-only tasks, there's no compelling reason to prefer Windows over Linux. Particularly in light of their mandatory user data collection. At some point perhaps Microsoft will relent and make their Semi-annual Channel and Long Term Service Channel licenses more generally available. But for now their data collection is turning some privacy-minded people away from Windows. If I could pay a reasonable price and reclaim my privacy I suppose I would, despite the fact this is Microsoft taking something from me and then charging me to get it back. But the cost of entry for a legitimate license to a less invasive version of Windows is just too high; hundreds for a mini purchase of servers + some CALs, or several hundred for a Visual Studio (formerly MSDN) Subscription. I've met Microsoft in the middle and purchased a license but run it in a VM. The VM is on just long enough to patch itself and do the Windows-only things I need to do such as run Tax Cut to fill out this year's tax return. Sure I could ditch Windows and do my taxes online but that's just feeding my data into another marketing machine. I can't and don't claim to represent the majority view, but I doubt I'm alone in having marketing / data collection fatigue. And frankly I do resent Microsoft's deciding data collection is the new minimum price of entry to use their software. In short: you're right they're doing some great things, but (for some of us) it's not about that. My apologies if that comes off a bit ranty. I suppose it's a hot button issue for me.

chiefalchemist 7y ago

Perhaps. But if Linux went mainstream it would probably undermine Apple more than Microsoft. A colleague, who is far more technical than I am, recently said, "I use Apple because it smooths out the bumps. Otherwise, I'd using Linux locally."

renw0rp 7y ago
I use Linux over Mac at home for this exact reason. What they call "Full screen mode" on Mac is a joke. Plus it's always fun to watch people trying to get external display to work with their Macs during the meetings at work...
- chiefalchemist 7y ago
  Can you elaborate on hardware and such? Share sites that'll help me make the shift? Especially using Linux within Win 10 Pro. Thx

ailideex 7y ago

Wish this was true, but I doubt it.