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Then you charge a reasonable price. You don't put a 'free' sticker on it with an unknowable 'ad revenue' cost in the background. One might argue that the custo

by desc 7y ago

Then you charge a reasonable price. You don't put a 'free' sticker on it with an unknowable 'ad revenue' cost in the background. One might argue that the customer should know the price they pay in advertising data-scraping before logging in, these days, but we still convict people of fraud for taking advantage. Advertising revenue is fraud.

Mirioron 7y ago
That just means you'll go out of business then and the users will end up using a Chinese/Russian/other country (knockoff) instead with the same ads snuck in there. It costs a lot less to develop software in certain other countries.
- makapuf 7y ago
  You can justify any business with that kind of argument.
  - BoorishBears 7y ago
    Justification doesn't exist in a vacuum, what you're justifying matters just as much, and showing ads from Microsoft is pretty low on the scale of evil things apps do for monetization.
DarknessFalls 7y ago
Television has been paying for programming through ads for decades now. Do you think that's not a 'real' business model? A good business model is one that makes someone 7 figures a year for cloning solitaire. It might not be the most enjoyable gaming experience, but if purity of solitaire is what you want, then there are plenty of paid alternatives.
- crooked-v 7y ago
  A massive difference here is that TV ads don't come with ubiquitous invasions of privacy every time you see them, nor do they have a small but constant risk of malware infecting your TV.
  - ta999999171 7y ago
    Not familiar with Smart TVs then, eh?
  - DanBC 7y ago
    But as tv moves away from broadcast signals to VOD services that's going to change. See for an early example 4OD in the UK: https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/04/28/behind-all-4s-new-personalised-vod-ads-call-out-the-names-viewers https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/04/28/behind-all-4s-new-pe... > Channel 4 earlier this week unveiled a new video on demand advertising package allowing brands to directly address viewers - in practise this meant first adopters 20th Century Fox, Foster' and Ronseal, could grab the attention of by literally calling out their names in their creative.
  - dwild 7y ago
    > nor do they have a small but constant risk of malware infecting your TV. The same goes for anything that you install / access on your devices, yet we aren't talking about removing theses capacities and I sure hope so that you won't argue that.
jussij 7y ago
Google makes it's billions through advertising. Google serves up adds along with it's search results and this guy serves up adds inside his games. These seem like identical business models. Something for free with an advert attached.

by desc 7y ago

Mirioron 7y ago

That just means you'll go out of business then and the users will end up using a Chinese/Russian/other country (knockoff) instead with the same ads snuck in there. It costs a lot less to develop software in certain other countries.

makapuf 7y ago
You can justify any business with that kind of argument.
- BoorishBears 7y ago
  Justification doesn't exist in a vacuum, what you're justifying matters just as much, and showing ads from Microsoft is pretty low on the scale of evil things apps do for monetization.

DarknessFalls 7y ago

Television has been paying for programming through ads for decades now. Do you think that's not a 'real' business model? A good business model is one that makes someone 7 figures a year for cloning solitaire. It might not be the most enjoyable gaming experience, but if purity of solitaire is what you want, then there are plenty of paid alternatives.

crooked-v 7y ago
A massive difference here is that TV ads don't come with ubiquitous invasions of privacy every time you see them, nor do they have a small but constant risk of malware infecting your TV.
- ta999999171 7y ago
  Not familiar with Smart TVs then, eh?
- DanBC 7y ago
  But as tv moves away from broadcast signals to VOD services that's going to change. See for an early example 4OD in the UK: https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/04/28/behind-all-4s-new-personalised-vod-ads-call-out-the-names-viewers https://www.thedrum.com/news/2017/04/28/behind-all-4s-new-pe... > Channel 4 earlier this week unveiled a new video on demand advertising package allowing brands to directly address viewers - in practise this meant first adopters 20th Century Fox, Foster' and Ronseal, could grab the attention of by literally calling out their names in their creative.
- dwild 7y ago
  > nor do they have a small but constant risk of malware infecting your TV. The same goes for anything that you install / access on your devices, yet we aren't talking about removing theses capacities and I sure hope so that you won't argue that.

jussij 7y ago

Google makes it's billions through advertising. Google serves up adds along with it's search results and this guy serves up adds inside his games. These seem like identical business models. Something for free with an advert attached.