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He has made enough money to retire. For engineers still looking for work, GOOGLE is the best place to work. If you don't want to work at google, don't work the

by shaan1 7y ago

He has made enough money to retire. For engineers still looking for work, GOOGLE is the best place to work. If you don't want to work at google, don't work there. Why do people keep blaming the company. This is not a dictatorship.

shadowgovt 7y ago
That depends on what one wants to do with one's labor. They'll certainly compensate you well, and they have flexible hours and treat software engineers and SREs like royalty. But Googlers who joined up 10 years ago really didn't have to also ask the question of whether their work was directly benefiting military AI projects (or merely providing an agnostic service that everyone was using; search is certainly something that benefited good and bad use alike, but partnering with the military and submitting contract proposals for drone targeting operations is a moderately different can of worms).
- philwelch 7y ago
  It's also a moderately different can of worms to work on projects like breaking enemy encryption during a war (Turing), building and programming more and more powerful computers to help design nuclear weapons (von Neumann), developing a network protocol for DARPA's national computer network (Cerf and Kahn), building microchips for bombers and missiles (Fairchild Semiconductor), and it goes on from there. Clearly, optimizing targeted advertising on the internet is a higher moral calling.
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    I agree. Especially when the nation that would use the drone technology has demonstrated a willingness to use said technology for reckless assassination of other country's citizens without declaration of war.
    - philwelch 7y ago
      Well you are free to go live your life under the rule of the Taliban or the Iranian mullahs if you really think they're the good guys in all of this. Edit: There's a flagged-dead reply that says, "I don't, but I also don't think the Haska Meyna wedding party were the bad guys in all of this." Well, I don't think so either, which is why I think it's good to develop technology that improves the ability to accurately recognize drone targets!
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adjkant 7y ago
> Why do people keep blaming the company. The socially accepted responsibilities of companies are changing. The more Google goes down this road, the more they transition from being liked to being disliked but having power not to care. Eventually people will remove that power from them by abandoning their services, even if it takes a while. Companies are groups of people. Those people should be asking what they care about in the world, not what makes the most money that will then be spread to shareholders. > For engineers still looking for work, GOOGLE is the best place to work This is a bold claim regardless of ethics and seems to be quite prestige blinded.

by shaan1 7y ago

shadowgovt 7y ago

That depends on what one wants to do with one's labor. They'll certainly compensate you well, and they have flexible hours and treat software engineers and SREs like royalty. But Googlers who joined up 10 years ago really didn't have to also ask the question of whether their work was directly benefiting military AI projects (or merely providing an agnostic service that everyone was using; search is certainly something that benefited good and bad use alike, but partnering with the military and submitting contract proposals for drone targeting operations is a moderately different can of worms).

philwelch 7y ago
It's also a moderately different can of worms to work on projects like breaking enemy encryption during a war (Turing), building and programming more and more powerful computers to help design nuclear weapons (von Neumann), developing a network protocol for DARPA's national computer network (Cerf and Kahn), building microchips for bombers and missiles (Fairchild Semiconductor), and it goes on from there. Clearly, optimizing targeted advertising on the internet is a higher moral calling.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  I agree. Especially when the nation that would use the drone technology has demonstrated a willingness to use said technology for reckless assassination of other country's citizens without declaration of war.
  - philwelch 7y ago
    Well you are free to go live your life under the rule of the Taliban or the Iranian mullahs if you really think they're the good guys in all of this. Edit: There's a flagged-dead reply that says, "I don't, but I also don't think the Haska Meyna wedding party were the bad guys in all of this." Well, I don't think so either, which is why I think it's good to develop technology that improves the ability to accurately recognize drone targets!
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adjkant 7y ago

> Why do people keep blaming the company. The socially accepted responsibilities of companies are changing. The more Google goes down this road, the more they transition from being liked to being disliked but having power not to care. Eventually people will remove that power from them by abandoning their services, even if it takes a while. Companies are groups of people. Those people should be asking what they care about in the world, not what makes the most money that will then be spread to shareholders. > For engineers still looking for work, GOOGLE is the best place to work This is a bold claim regardless of ethics and seems to be quite prestige blinded.