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very clever propaganda indeed. our politicians do the same thing. Madam Secretary [0] was propaganda for Hillary Clinton Diary of a Future President [1] is p

very clever propaganda indeed. our politicians do the same thing. Madam Secretary [0] was propaganda for Hillary Clinton Diary of a Future President [1] is propaganda for Michelle Obama [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madam_Secretary_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madam_Secretary_(TV_series) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_a_Future_President https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_a_Future_President

knodi123 7y ago
Wow. Without some additional arguments backing that up, this looks really disgusting and misogynistic. I look forward to seeing some evidence that Diary of a Future President is a cynical piece of propaganda designed to aid the fortunes of Michelle Obama, in order to restore a bit of my faith in humanity.
- derp_dee_derp 7y ago
  funny how you didn't call out the OP and ask them for "some additional arguments backing" up their claim that the Iranian TV show was propaganda, but here you do when its American politicians. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? as for context, a good book on the subject is "manufacturing consent" by Noam Chomsky. In it he details how american media of all forms is used as a propaganda vehicle in order to shape and create the american public's politics. The TV shows linked are just applications of that strategy.
  - AWildC182 7y ago
    Saying "what about that [falsely equivalent] thing over there, now read [HN meme book of the month]" isn't exactly a sound argument...
    - derp_dee_derp 7y ago
      pointing out hypocrisy is not a false equivalency, but nice try. also, you calling a foundational work in propaganda theory a meme book isnt exactly a sound counter argument, either. Here, educate yourself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
      - jessaustin 7y ago
        Sometimes it seems that some people think it's "progressive" to criticize Chomsky...
        hindsightbias 7y ago
        We’re so progressive today that only RT and EU media will have him on shows. 20 years ago, he was on “liberal” PBS all the time.
      - AWildC182 7y ago
        You're trying to spread misogynistic conspiracy theories and comparing that to Iranian propaganda... That's absolutely a false equivalency. You had a chance to make an argument to support your position but... Everyone has been spamming "Manufacturing Consent" like crazy recently. Just telling people to read it doesn't support any argument, it's just an attempt to appear high-brow because Chomsky. You need to specify how Chomsky supports your argument.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  How is calling that propaganda misogynistic? Not everything that's against a woman is misogyny.
  - knodi123 7y ago
    No, but saying "Diary of a Future President" must be propaganda for Michelle Obama does indeed smack of woman-phobia. "yikes, someone's giving girls the idea that they could be politically powerful. it's probably a secretive social manipulation cynically run by the most powerful woman I can think of off the top of my head." Also, the only two people listed were Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton? All the powerful people in Washington that you could accuse of shadowy conspiracies to control the media, and they picked two women, and one of them is black (ooooh, I get it, the little girl in the TV show is cuban, so also a person of color?)? Considering the demographics of US politicians, yeah - that comes off a little prejudiced. But hey, maybe it's a huuuuge coincidence. /shrug.
    - derp_dee_derp 7y ago
      The only person in this thread talking about gender is you. Everyone else is talking about her with the context of her as an individual human. You are the misogynistic one in this conversation.
      - dang 7y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly using HN for flamewar and ignoring our requests to stop. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        derp_dee_derp 7y ago
        Wait, Am I banned or the other person? I'm confused by the wording and context. You replied to me, but warned them in another comment. Also I don't think I've ever been warned before.
xerxex 7y ago
I bet you are a Fox News viewer demographic
- derp_dee_derp 7y ago
  Nope. But way to make assumptions in an attempt to validate your world view, very nice.
- dang 7y ago
  This sort of flamewar comment is unacceptable on HN, and I'm afraid you've posted like this in the past as well. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing that on HN?

knodi123 7y ago

Wow. Without some additional arguments backing that up, this looks really disgusting and misogynistic. I look forward to seeing some evidence that Diary of a Future President is a cynical piece of propaganda designed to aid the fortunes of Michelle Obama, in order to restore a bit of my faith in humanity.

derp_dee_derp 7y ago
funny how you didn't call out the OP and ask them for "some additional arguments backing" up their claim that the Iranian TV show was propaganda, but here you do when its American politicians. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? as for context, a good book on the subject is "manufacturing consent" by Noam Chomsky. In it he details how american media of all forms is used as a propaganda vehicle in order to shape and create the american public's politics. The TV shows linked are just applications of that strategy.
- AWildC182 7y ago
  Saying "what about that [falsely equivalent] thing over there, now read [HN meme book of the month]" isn't exactly a sound argument...
  - derp_dee_derp 7y ago
    pointing out hypocrisy is not a false equivalency, but nice try. also, you calling a foundational work in propaganda theory a meme book isnt exactly a sound counter argument, either. Here, educate yourself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      Sometimes it seems that some people think it's "progressive" to criticize Chomsky...
      - hindsightbias 7y ago
        We’re so progressive today that only RT and EU media will have him on shows. 20 years ago, he was on “liberal” PBS all the time.
    - AWildC182 7y ago
      You're trying to spread misogynistic conspiracy theories and comparing that to Iranian propaganda... That's absolutely a false equivalency. You had a chance to make an argument to support your position but... Everyone has been spamming "Manufacturing Consent" like crazy recently. Just telling people to read it doesn't support any argument, it's just an attempt to appear high-brow because Chomsky. You need to specify how Chomsky supports your argument.
Mirioron 7y ago
How is calling that propaganda misogynistic? Not everything that's against a woman is misogyny.
- knodi123 7y ago
  No, but saying "Diary of a Future President" must be propaganda for Michelle Obama does indeed smack of woman-phobia. "yikes, someone's giving girls the idea that they could be politically powerful. it's probably a secretive social manipulation cynically run by the most powerful woman I can think of off the top of my head." Also, the only two people listed were Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton? All the powerful people in Washington that you could accuse of shadowy conspiracies to control the media, and they picked two women, and one of them is black (ooooh, I get it, the little girl in the TV show is cuban, so also a person of color?)? Considering the demographics of US politicians, yeah - that comes off a little prejudiced. But hey, maybe it's a huuuuge coincidence. /shrug.
  - derp_dee_derp 7y ago
    The only person in this thread talking about gender is you. Everyone else is talking about her with the context of her as an individual human. You are the misogynistic one in this conversation.
    - dang 7y ago
      We've banned this account for repeatedly using HN for flamewar and ignoring our requests to stop. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - derp_dee_derp 7y ago
        Wait, Am I banned or the other person? I'm confused by the wording and context. You replied to me, but warned them in another comment. Also I don't think I've ever been warned before.

xerxex 7y ago

I bet you are a Fox News viewer demographic

derp_dee_derp 7y ago
Nope. But way to make assumptions in an attempt to validate your world view, very nice.
dang 7y ago
This sort of flamewar comment is unacceptable on HN, and I'm afraid you've posted like this in the past as well. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing that on HN?