> Your comparison feels like talking about soldiers with PTSD and then saying "all humans have jobs and deadlines and they depend on these for their livelihood!

> Your comparison feels like talking about soldiers with PTSD and then saying "all humans have jobs and deadlines and they depend on these for their livelihood! All humans have stress, how are soldiers different?" Wouldn't the animals in nature be more like soldiers with PTSD and livestock be more like humans? > I have no desire to look for images of how disgusting the living conditions and lives of these animals are in an attempt to prove this, but you are welcome to. Are they any better than the animals in nature being eaten while alive? > There is no doubt in my mind it is far worse than their state in the wild. Then you don't know what it is like in the wild. Ever wonder why you don't live out in the wild but rather live in human factory farms instead? The vast majority of livestock don't live like the few cherrypicked photos/videos pushed by "activists/propagandists". Just like the vast majority of animals in the wild don't live wonderful lives.