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> What I’d like to see is the government doing more to make it possible for all working women with families to better balance their lives. Or, you know, the da

> What I’d like to see is the government doing more to make it possible for all working women with families to better balance their lives. Or, you know, the dads could pitch in with running the household.

victor9000 7y ago
As if they don't? Do you live in the 1950s?
- fastbeef 7y ago
  I’m not, but GP seems to be. edit: alright, it was a bit snarky, but he’s basically advocating government intervention so can get more time off from work to run the household
- deleted 7y ago
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- djcapelis 7y ago
  Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks in the present not just in the distant past and anyone who says otherwise is sticking their heads in the sand.
  - syshum 7y ago
    >>Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] 1. Women with FT jobs on Avg work 7.7 hours per day, and put in 2.6 hour per day on household chores or 10.3 hrs total per day 2. Men with FT jobs on Avg work 8.3 hrs, and put in 2.1 hours per week on household chores or 10.4 hrs per total per day there is some data to show that heterosexual households Women primary work in the home (cleaning, cooking etc) and men primary work outside or on the home (lawn work, garbage, home maintenance, etc) So unless you are going to cherry pick which "household and childcare related tasks" to specifically exclude the "household and childcare related tasks" men generally do there is no way to conclude that "women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks" [1]https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      > Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. Yes, men work longer hours than women. But even in households where the woman is the primary earner, she takes on the majority of household chores, on average [1]. And this has been seen in multiple studies. See the "Work and Leisure for Dual-Income and Single-Income Couples" table here[2]. In single income families, a women earner spends 23 hours on household chores, compared to her (unemployed) parter, who spends ~29 hours on household chores. He gets around twice as much leisure time as she does. Reverse the genders, and an employed man spends 14 hours on housework, while the unemployed woman will spend 45 hours on housework. No matter who is employed, the mother always spends more time on housework than on leisure time, and the father always spends more time on leisure than on housework. That's true whether the family is dual income, the mother is the sole earner, the father is the sole earner, or neither parent works. In all cases, the mother spends more time on housework than leisure, and the father spends more time on leisure than housework. [1]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 [2]: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in-work-and-leisure-patterns-by-gender-and-family-structure/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in...
      - syshum 7y ago
        >>>You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem when they compare stay at home mom households (which make up the vast majority of the Single Income House holds) to Stay at home Dad homes which are the rarest or rare.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        > as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem The pew social trends survey mentions that the number of stay at home dads is ~1/5 the number of moms. Smaller, but not so small as to make the conclusions invalid. You asked for studies and statistics and I provided. Please don't continue to move the goalposts. > It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works Such as? I didn't see anyone doing that here. I saw you misunderstanding and attacking a claim, and then being unwilling to admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence you requested. It's not easy to try and discuss these topics with you.

victor9000 7y ago

As if they don't? Do you live in the 1950s?

fastbeef 7y ago
I’m not, but GP seems to be. edit: alright, it was a bit snarky, but he’s basically advocating government intervention so can get more time off from work to run the household
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djcapelis 7y ago
Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks in the present not just in the distant past and anyone who says otherwise is sticking their heads in the sand.
- syshum 7y ago
  >>Study after study after study shows that women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] 1. Women with FT jobs on Avg work 7.7 hours per day, and put in 2.6 hour per day on household chores or 10.3 hrs total per day 2. Men with FT jobs on Avg work 8.3 hrs, and put in 2.1 hours per week on household chores or 10.4 hrs per total per day there is some data to show that heterosexual households Women primary work in the home (cleaning, cooking etc) and men primary work outside or on the home (lawn work, garbage, home maintenance, etc) So unless you are going to cherry pick which "household and childcare related tasks" to specifically exclude the "household and childcare related tasks" men generally do there is no way to conclude that "women in relationships with men are responsible for disproportionate share of household and childcare related tasks" [1]https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    > Actually they do not, please show me the studies, and actual data that does because the studies have seen say [1] You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. Yes, men work longer hours than women. But even in households where the woman is the primary earner, she takes on the majority of household chores, on average [1]. And this has been seen in multiple studies. See the "Work and Leisure for Dual-Income and Single-Income Couples" table here[2]. In single income families, a women earner spends 23 hours on household chores, compared to her (unemployed) parter, who spends ~29 hours on household chores. He gets around twice as much leisure time as she does. Reverse the genders, and an employed man spends 14 hours on housework, while the unemployed woman will spend 45 hours on housework. No matter who is employed, the mother always spends more time on housework than on leisure time, and the father always spends more time on leisure than on housework. That's true whether the family is dual income, the mother is the sole earner, the father is the sole earner, or neither parent works. In all cases, the mother spends more time on housework than leisure, and the father spends more time on leisure than housework. [1]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 https://www.jstor.org/stable/2782401?seq=1 [2]: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in-work-and-leisure-patterns-by-gender-and-family-structure/ https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in...
    - syshum 7y ago
      >>>You can't use overall statistics to talk about specific cases of cross-sections. It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem when they compare stay at home mom households (which make up the vast majority of the Single Income House holds) to Stay at home Dad homes which are the rarest or rare.
      - joshuamorton 7y ago
        > as to the data on Stay at-home dads, I question the sample size on that, it is such a rare status that and I am sure there is a HUGE sample size problem The pew social trends survey mentions that the number of stay at home dads is ~1/5 the number of moms. Smaller, but not so small as to make the conclusions invalid. You asked for studies and statistics and I provided. Please don't continue to move the goalposts. > It seems when the overall statistics show a favorable / Advantaged result toward men over all statistics are just fine to use, but if they who an equality in the genders they become problematic and are no longer valid, odd how that works Such as? I didn't see anyone doing that here. I saw you misunderstanding and attacking a claim, and then being unwilling to admit you were wrong when confronted with the evidence you requested. It's not easy to try and discuss these topics with you.