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So what pains does this legislation solve? To me it seemed outrageous that a company I had no dealings with, accumulated data on me without my consent, and abo

So what pains does this legislation solve? To me it seemed outrageous that a company I had no dealings with, accumulated data on me without my consent, and above all - their data was breached. I thought that's what this legislation was trying to address.

olefoo 7y ago
It provides a regulatory moat for experian, equifax and axciom. And it makes it sound like the legislature has done something useful.
SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
It is. But as a credit bureau, Equifax was already subject to some data protection regulations from the federal government - that's a large part of why they could even get in trouble in the first place. Due to details of constitutional structure in the US, California's general data protection law can't legally be applied to companies that are already subject to a federal data protection law.
closeparen 7y ago
Blacking out credit history would obliterate lending, which would in turn collapse asset prices and lead to a complete restructuring of entire industries and society itself. If that were on the table, you would’ve heard. This is primarily about the companies that buy your phone number from your gym membership or supermarket loyalty card and sell it to telemarketers. They won’t be missed.
- bonoboTP 7y ago
  I don't think society would need to be restructured. Many countries do fine without private third party entities managing people's credit history and score. Instead, you have to provide data on your credit worthiness each time you request credit from a particular bank. Such as bills, income proof, assets etc.
  - closeparen 7y ago
    In which countries can you default on a loan and then go get another one like it never happened? Sure it might be the state hosting the mechanism instead of a private company, but that mechanism is pretty important.
    - bonoboTP 7y ago
      Yeah, if you default on it and there's a court decision etc. then it gets recorded in a government system and you are on a blacklist. It's quite different and a lot less fine-grained than feeding all your credit-related and non-credit-related history into some ML model to estimate your credit worthiness.
      - closeparen 7y ago
        Sure, and nationalizing or limiting the scope of credit reporting are both fine ideas. It is still a third party collecting a fact about someone and repeating it to others, to the data subject's detriment and against his will.
- progval 7y ago
  > Blacking out credit history would obliterate lending Credit history companies like Equifax are very much an American thing; lending still works everywhere else. They are such a non-topic in France that I only learned about them last year, and the French Wikipedia page on the subject is very short, and only documents the US, Canada, and China: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89valuation_des_risques-clients https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89valuation_des_risques-cl... And IANAL, but it seems to me that credit history databases are made illegal by Article 5 of the 1978 "Computing and freedoms act" https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000886460 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFT...
  - closeparen 7y ago
    A quick Google search suggests that the Bank of France itself tracks defaults. As I understand it, the American weirdness is that this is a private sector function rather than a service of the state. Not that it exists.
    - progval 7y ago
      Yes, and it only tracks defaults; and you're notified 30 days before being added to the file. And you are removed from the file as soon as you repaid what you owed. Source: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F17608 https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F17608 That's nowhere near the amount of data Equifax collects.

olefoo 7y ago

It provides a regulatory moat for experian, equifax and axciom. And it makes it sound like the legislature has done something useful.

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

It is. But as a credit bureau, Equifax was already subject to some data protection regulations from the federal government - that's a large part of why they could even get in trouble in the first place. Due to details of constitutional structure in the US, California's general data protection law can't legally be applied to companies that are already subject to a federal data protection law.

closeparen 7y ago

Blacking out credit history would obliterate lending, which would in turn collapse asset prices and lead to a complete restructuring of entire industries and society itself. If that were on the table, you would’ve heard. This is primarily about the companies that buy your phone number from your gym membership or supermarket loyalty card and sell it to telemarketers. They won’t be missed.

bonoboTP 7y ago
I don't think society would need to be restructured. Many countries do fine without private third party entities managing people's credit history and score. Instead, you have to provide data on your credit worthiness each time you request credit from a particular bank. Such as bills, income proof, assets etc.
- closeparen 7y ago
  In which countries can you default on a loan and then go get another one like it never happened? Sure it might be the state hosting the mechanism instead of a private company, but that mechanism is pretty important.
  - bonoboTP 7y ago
    Yeah, if you default on it and there's a court decision etc. then it gets recorded in a government system and you are on a blacklist. It's quite different and a lot less fine-grained than feeding all your credit-related and non-credit-related history into some ML model to estimate your credit worthiness.
    - closeparen 7y ago
      Sure, and nationalizing or limiting the scope of credit reporting are both fine ideas. It is still a third party collecting a fact about someone and repeating it to others, to the data subject's detriment and against his will.
progval 7y ago
> Blacking out credit history would obliterate lending Credit history companies like Equifax are very much an American thing; lending still works everywhere else. They are such a non-topic in France that I only learned about them last year, and the French Wikipedia page on the subject is very short, and only documents the US, Canada, and China: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89valuation_des_risques-clients https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89valuation_des_risques-cl... And IANAL, but it seems to me that credit history databases are made illegal by Article 5 of the 1978 "Computing and freedoms act" https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000886460 https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFT...
- closeparen 7y ago
  A quick Google search suggests that the Bank of France itself tracks defaults. As I understand it, the American weirdness is that this is a private sector function rather than a service of the state. Not that it exists.
  - progval 7y ago
    Yes, and it only tracks defaults; and you're notified 30 days before being added to the file. And you are removed from the file as soon as you repaid what you owed. Source: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F17608 https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F17608 That's nowhere near the amount of data Equifax collects.