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> Each part of society is trying to maximize for its own good. No. Only the elites are even capable of reasoning about their own good nevermind trying to maxim

> Each part of society is trying to maximize for its own good. No. Only the elites are even capable of reasoning about their own good nevermind trying to maximize it. The vast lower class are incapable of even formulating a concept of "their own good". As orwell so cleverly put it, the proles are pretty much animals, they aren't able to organize and think about their own "good" no more than livestock in an industrial farm are able to think about their own good. If the proles were capable of maximizing their own good, they wouldn't be proles, they would be the elites. "As the Party slogan put it: 'Proles and animals are free.'" --1984 > I dont define good and i dont even try Neither have I.

idclip 7y ago
Its a difference of belief, and if i may, you sound a little bit depressed and nihilistic. Maybe you need to realize your own agency in the story. You are a part of that machine too. Id recommend jordan peterson and his take on hierarchy, its very eye opening.
- elfexec 7y ago
  > Its a difference of belief It isn't a matter of belief. It's a matter of history and society. The proles don't have the capacity to do what you claim they can. Individually, a clever prole can rise up, but not collectively. > and if i may, you sound a little bit depressed and nihilistic. I'm neither. You might be projecting. Maybe a few more peterson videos that you will misunderstand/misinterpret will cure you? > Maybe you need to realize your own agency in the story. You are a part of that machine too. You seem to think I am part of the proles. I'm certainly not. > Id recommend jordan peterson and his take on hierarchy, its very eye opening. Nothing jordan peterson has stated is new. His take of hierarchy isn't his. It's been around a long time, even before peterson was born. But I agree that many could learn a thing or two from peterson. Unfortunately, it looks like some aren't able to understand him. Anyways, if you provided any evidence to your claim, maybe this discussion would have been worth it, but I can see it's simply a misguided belief, so I'll leave you to it.
  - idclip 7y ago
    Well i certainly see your sarcasm and negative attitude to my argument, which is Ofcourse not pleasant - i agree with ending this, and i wish you nothing but good things, have a great day man

idclip 7y ago

Its a difference of belief, and if i may, you sound a little bit depressed and nihilistic. Maybe you need to realize your own agency in the story. You are a part of that machine too. Id recommend jordan peterson and his take on hierarchy, its very eye opening.

elfexec 7y ago
> Its a difference of belief It isn't a matter of belief. It's a matter of history and society. The proles don't have the capacity to do what you claim they can. Individually, a clever prole can rise up, but not collectively. > and if i may, you sound a little bit depressed and nihilistic. I'm neither. You might be projecting. Maybe a few more peterson videos that you will misunderstand/misinterpret will cure you? > Maybe you need to realize your own agency in the story. You are a part of that machine too. You seem to think I am part of the proles. I'm certainly not. > Id recommend jordan peterson and his take on hierarchy, its very eye opening. Nothing jordan peterson has stated is new. His take of hierarchy isn't his. It's been around a long time, even before peterson was born. But I agree that many could learn a thing or two from peterson. Unfortunately, it looks like some aren't able to understand him. Anyways, if you provided any evidence to your claim, maybe this discussion would have been worth it, but I can see it's simply a misguided belief, so I'll leave you to it.
- idclip 7y ago
  Well i certainly see your sarcasm and negative attitude to my argument, which is Ofcourse not pleasant - i agree with ending this, and i wish you nothing but good things, have a great day man