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Interesting that you consider the ego-less state the delusion especially considering how humans start life off.

idclip 7y ago
not sure why you got downvoted, maybe because you didn't expand on his use of the word delusion. i actually think you're right in pointing that out - i just wanted to comment on it too, that i wouldn't call it a delusion, and rather an exposition. even carl jung calls our intermediate awareness of the specific I experience as the ego conscienceness. in that same breadth, the initial state isn't itself complete either, which is why jung talks about unification of self and ego into the transcendent self, which is niether driven by instinct (initial self) - or sensation (ego), but rather grace (holy direction of what's "right", or zen nature), which to my understanding is instinct applied to the larger self as the collective). that kind of literature is pretty heavy, and interesting to read. tricky too, from a moral perspective. it's a shame that we think that stuff we experience on drugs isn't real, just because we stop thinking about it once the "drugs" wear off.
- codebolt 7y ago
  The narrative that God is an eternal void that has become self aware and out of suffering decided to create/imagine a world of humans is not entirely implausible, but in the end it's just a story with no supporting evidence. Consider for example Max Tegmarks idea that the universe is a mathematical structure in an infinite set of platonically real mathematical structures. I don't believe this view to be true either, but it certainly has a few arguments in its favor. And it's completely incompatible with the former narrative. My point is that it's possible to conjure up different kinds of narratives to explain our existence. Believing in something just because you thought it up is the delusional part. It seems relevant to add that I've become a Christian later in life. But that's largely because of things that have happened to me first hand, that have led me to believe in a divine savior at work.

not sure why you got downvoted, maybe because you didn't expand on his use of the word delusion. i actually think you're right in pointing that out - i just wanted to comment on it too, that i wouldn't call it a delusion, and rather an exposition. even carl jung calls our intermediate awareness of the specific I experience as the ego conscienceness. in that same breadth, the initial state isn't itself complete either, which is why jung talks about unification of self and ego into the transcendent self, which is niether driven by instinct (initial self) - or sensation (ego), but rather grace (holy direction of what's "right", or zen nature), which to my understanding is instinct applied to the larger self as the collective). that kind of literature is pretty heavy, and interesting to read. tricky too, from a moral perspective. it's a shame that we think that stuff we experience on drugs isn't real, just because we stop thinking about it once the "drugs" wear off.

codebolt 7y ago
The narrative that God is an eternal void that has become self aware and out of suffering decided to create/imagine a world of humans is not entirely implausible, but in the end it's just a story with no supporting evidence. Consider for example Max Tegmarks idea that the universe is a mathematical structure in an infinite set of platonically real mathematical structures. I don't believe this view to be true either, but it certainly has a few arguments in its favor. And it's completely incompatible with the former narrative. My point is that it's possible to conjure up different kinds of narratives to explain our existence. Believing in something just because you thought it up is the delusional part. It seems relevant to add that I've become a Christian later in life. But that's largely because of things that have happened to me first hand, that have led me to believe in a divine savior at work.