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Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers? People have been using free speech absolutism over the last couple of years to popu

Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers? People have been using free speech absolutism over the last couple of years to popularize poisonous ideas. Should we keep letting that happen? EDIT: Maybe they have an opinion, but frankly that lot don't spin this as an opinion. It's barbarism. It's murder. It's evil. Don't act like their isn't a larger context to all of this.

SaintGhurka 7y ago
"Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers?" Yes. All of them. I've never had to do so with a flat-earther simply because I've never met one. But the others? Sure, I treat them like human beings. Marginalizing people for their beliefs will not change their minds but it WILL fracture society. I think some people will side with the "opposing view" simply because they are indignant when they see how the sanctimonious mob treats them.
- youdontknowtho 7y ago
  Like I said, nothing happens in a vacuum. People in the anti-abortion camp routinely call people evil, demon possessed, and immoral. They have killed people. There are bills passing now that force women to undergo unneeded medical procedures. Somehow I'm being sanctimonious because I'm not going to pretend that there is no historical context to all of this. That's what they have been doing this whole time. The far-right pushes against the bounds of decency and then the center-right says that you aren't being civil when someone brings it up. I'm not marginalizing anyone. I'm just not going to pretend that there is no larger context.
humanrebar 7y ago
I just think full term fetuses deserve at least as much legal protection as a pet dog. It's pretty awful to kill a pet when animal shelters are a thing. I understand the desire to group that opinion along with PizzaGate or some other toxic nonsense. That's exactly the sort of cognitive dissonance I'm talking about. I am actually sympathetic to and support single mothers in all sorts of ways, not that people should have to qualify philosophical opinions with virtue signalling.
- philipkglass 7y ago
  According to the Humane Society 2.4 million healthy cats and dogs are euthanized each year in US animal shelters: https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/pets-numbers https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/pets-numbers It's very sad but legal.
- youdontknowtho 7y ago
  Full term fetuses have more protection than a pet dog, so you're good right? Full term fetuses can't be aborted. "Late-term abortion" and "full term abortion" are really just right-wing talking points. The fact that those terms don't actually represent any real medical procedure doesn't matter. They sound good. It's not virtue signaling to say that I don't think that you are making your argument in good faith. BTW only right-wingers use "virtue signaling" in conversation. It makes you sound like a sociopath. If you prick humanoid type things do they not "hurt signal"?

SaintGhurka 7y ago

"Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers?" Yes. All of them. I've never had to do so with a flat-earther simply because I've never met one. But the others? Sure, I treat them like human beings. Marginalizing people for their beliefs will not change their minds but it WILL fracture society. I think some people will side with the "opposing view" simply because they are indignant when they see how the sanctimonious mob treats them.

youdontknowtho 7y ago
Like I said, nothing happens in a vacuum. People in the anti-abortion camp routinely call people evil, demon possessed, and immoral. They have killed people. There are bills passing now that force women to undergo unneeded medical procedures. Somehow I'm being sanctimonious because I'm not going to pretend that there is no historical context to all of this. That's what they have been doing this whole time. The far-right pushes against the bounds of decency and then the center-right says that you aren't being civil when someone brings it up. I'm not marginalizing anyone. I'm just not going to pretend that there is no larger context.

humanrebar 7y ago

I just think full term fetuses deserve at least as much legal protection as a pet dog. It's pretty awful to kill a pet when animal shelters are a thing. I understand the desire to group that opinion along with PizzaGate or some other toxic nonsense. That's exactly the sort of cognitive dissonance I'm talking about. I am actually sympathetic to and support single mothers in all sorts of ways, not that people should have to qualify philosophical opinions with virtue signalling.

philipkglass 7y ago
According to the Humane Society 2.4 million healthy cats and dogs are euthanized each year in US animal shelters: https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/pets-numbers https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/pets-numbers It's very sad but legal.
youdontknowtho 7y ago
Full term fetuses have more protection than a pet dog, so you're good right? Full term fetuses can't be aborted. "Late-term abortion" and "full term abortion" are really just right-wing talking points. The fact that those terms don't actually represent any real medical procedure doesn't matter. They sound good. It's not virtue signaling to say that I don't think that you are making your argument in good faith. BTW only right-wingers use "virtue signaling" in conversation. It makes you sound like a sociopath. If you prick humanoid type things do they not "hurt signal"?