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But this is the obvious answer. OP didn't need you to tell him to get a lawyer. If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. I mean I know y

But this is the obvious answer. OP didn't need you to tell him to get a lawyer. If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. I mean I know you meant well and I know I probably sound like a negative jerk but yeah of course it's a legal issue and he should talk to a lawyer. It's like if someone has a stomach ache and they asked online what it might be and someone tells them they should see a doctor. It's obvious and doesn't need to be said. I think what OP needs are good resources so that he can educate himself as much as possible. Yeah he also needs a lawyer, if this is that important to him, but being informed will be a force multiplier here. in my experience people are generally shity when you ask for legal advice online but you could try that. For example stack exchange has one but you'll probably get condemned on there instead of getting helpful advice. An out-of-the-box idea might be to find a paralegal on FIVERR and ask them to dig up resources to read up on. Again I apologize for being such a jerk about your suggestion. I'm a terrible person.

irvingprime 7y ago
I disagree. Learning the ins and outs of the law and of IP negotiations - a very specialized and cut-throat field - in a few days or maybe weeks is out of the question. If he can't talk to a lawyer, he's going to lose. Period. Maybe very badly. After having already screwed up, now is not the time to half-ass it. You're not a terrible person but you've given absolutely terrible advice.
- runninganyways 7y ago
  At what point did I tell OP to become an expert on IP law? Nowhere. My advice to OP was to educate himself so that no matter what he did he could be more effective. > You're not a terrible person but you've given absolutely terrible advice You didn't read my advice correctly and I place zero value in your opinion about me being a good person or not especially considering you thought you had enough information to even bring up the topic based on one short internet comment.
  - irvingprime 7y ago
    Now you're nitpicking. Sure, he can educate himself and should. But in the amount of time he has (can't be much) he can learn basically nothing. It's too late for that path to make any sense. As for the other thing, looks like you're intentionally picking a fight. Therefore, out of deference to your better logic, I withdraw my comment that you are not a bad person.
bdowling 7y ago
> If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. He, and you, may not know that you do not always need money up front to engage the services of a lawyer. Many lawyers extend credit to their clients or allow clients to condition their fee on a successful outcome (a contingent fee). Depending on the desired outcome in this case, such an arrangement may be easy. For example, if OP wants to arrange a sale of the IP to his employer, then the lawyer’s fee could be paid from the proceeds. Some lawyers also take credit cards. Also, an initial consultation to decide if OP wants to hire a lawyer shouldn’t cost anything. OP won’t get any free advice, but he should get an idea of how a lawyer could help in his situation.
- runninganyways 7y ago
  My point is you don't need to say obvious things. It's a waste of everyone's time.
  - adreamingsoul 7y ago
    The obvious is not always obvious to everyone. Isn't it a waste of time trying to control the obvious?
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    Given the amount of pushback on that in this thread from you and plenty of others it does not seem that it is all that obvious.
    - runninganyways 7y ago
      No I would actually attribute that to just typical internet forum behavior. If you don't know to talk to a lawyer for a legal issue then you've got bigger problems.
- hef19898 7y ago
  I always had the impression that programmers and developers should be well enough paid to afford some first legal consulting.
iudqnolq 7y ago
> An out-of-the-box idea might be to find a paralegal on FIVERR and ask them to dig up resources to read up on. Ideas are a picodollar a dozen. Why don't you try this one and tell us how it works out? Or, at a minimum, find out if you could even theoretically hire a paralegal on Fiverr?
- naniwaduni 7y ago
  Seems like it'd be a pretty bad idea on the paralegal's part to take the gig.
  - runninganyways 7y ago
    Why is that?
    - jnwatson 7y ago
      It is illegal in every US jurisdiction I’m aware of for a paralegal to give legal advice. Attorneys have a legally enforced monopoly on legal advice because, well, they write the laws.
    - iudqnolq 7y ago
      And even if you found a paralegal willing to break the law, you'd either get an idiot who can't get a job anywhere or have to pay a lot more than $5
- runninganyways 7y ago
  First, pico is doing all the heavy lifting there. You don't need the dozen. Second, what a nasty little comment you've constructed. Third, you've made quite a few assumptions that I have zero interest in discussing with you (see the previous paragraph).
  - dang 7y ago
    Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? we ban accounts that do that, and eventually your main account as well. If you'd please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd be grateful.
chrismcb 7y ago
It isn't necessarily obvious, and if the question is being asked, it needs to be said.
yowlingcat 7y ago
Not only are you wrong, but you're being dramatic and deflecting criticism. People being "shitty" when you ask for legal advice online or not is a complete red herring because it is an inappropriate and dangerous substitution. Fiverr? Are you kidding? You can get a fairly cheap half hour consultation of some kind with many a good lawyer for a few hundred dollars AT MOST and it will not be a waste of time. There's only one right answer here. Your answer is dangerous and your attitude is flippant. You need to seriously rethink both, or you're going to get yourself or someone else in hot water someday.
- runninganyways 7y ago
  It's pretty clear that you're in read-only mode. You think you know the only answer so what can I tell you.
  - yowlingcat 7y ago
    I've had a lot of conversations about this lately, but my tolerance for this kind of ignorance ends where the possible damage begins. You are directly leading someone down a dangerous course and playing with fire. Feel free to make that choice for yourself if you really want to, but don't expect to give this poor advice to others in a public forum without a reality check.

irvingprime 7y ago

I disagree. Learning the ins and outs of the law and of IP negotiations - a very specialized and cut-throat field - in a few days or maybe weeks is out of the question. If he can't talk to a lawyer, he's going to lose. Period. Maybe very badly. After having already screwed up, now is not the time to half-ass it. You're not a terrible person but you've given absolutely terrible advice.

runninganyways 7y ago
At what point did I tell OP to become an expert on IP law? Nowhere. My advice to OP was to educate himself so that no matter what he did he could be more effective. > You're not a terrible person but you've given absolutely terrible advice You didn't read my advice correctly and I place zero value in your opinion about me being a good person or not especially considering you thought you had enough information to even bring up the topic based on one short internet comment.
- irvingprime 7y ago
  Now you're nitpicking. Sure, he can educate himself and should. But in the amount of time he has (can't be much) he can learn basically nothing. It's too late for that path to make any sense. As for the other thing, looks like you're intentionally picking a fight. Therefore, out of deference to your better logic, I withdraw my comment that you are not a bad person.

bdowling 7y ago

> If he had that kind of money he'd be talking to a lawyer not us. He, and you, may not know that you do not always need money up front to engage the services of a lawyer. Many lawyers extend credit to their clients or allow clients to condition their fee on a successful outcome (a contingent fee). Depending on the desired outcome in this case, such an arrangement may be easy. For example, if OP wants to arrange a sale of the IP to his employer, then the lawyer’s fee could be paid from the proceeds. Some lawyers also take credit cards. Also, an initial consultation to decide if OP wants to hire a lawyer shouldn’t cost anything. OP won’t get any free advice, but he should get an idea of how a lawyer could help in his situation.

runninganyways 7y ago
My point is you don't need to say obvious things. It's a waste of everyone's time.
- adreamingsoul 7y ago
  The obvious is not always obvious to everyone. Isn't it a waste of time trying to control the obvious?
- jacquesm 7y ago
  Given the amount of pushback on that in this thread from you and plenty of others it does not seem that it is all that obvious.
  - runninganyways 7y ago
    No I would actually attribute that to just typical internet forum behavior. If you don't know to talk to a lawyer for a legal issue then you've got bigger problems.
hef19898 7y ago
I always had the impression that programmers and developers should be well enough paid to afford some first legal consulting.

iudqnolq 7y ago

> An out-of-the-box idea might be to find a paralegal on FIVERR and ask them to dig up resources to read up on. Ideas are a picodollar a dozen. Why don't you try this one and tell us how it works out? Or, at a minimum, find out if you could even theoretically hire a paralegal on Fiverr?

naniwaduni 7y ago
Seems like it'd be a pretty bad idea on the paralegal's part to take the gig.
- runninganyways 7y ago
  Why is that?
  - jnwatson 7y ago
    It is illegal in every US jurisdiction I’m aware of for a paralegal to give legal advice. Attorneys have a legally enforced monopoly on legal advice because, well, they write the laws.
  - iudqnolq 7y ago
    And even if you found a paralegal willing to break the law, you'd either get an idiot who can't get a job anywhere or have to pay a lot more than $5
runninganyways 7y ago
First, pico is doing all the heavy lifting there. You don't need the dozen. Second, what a nasty little comment you've constructed. Third, you've made quite a few assumptions that I have zero interest in discussing with you (see the previous paragraph).
- dang 7y ago
  Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? we ban accounts that do that, and eventually your main account as well. If you'd please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd be grateful.

chrismcb 7y ago

It isn't necessarily obvious, and if the question is being asked, it needs to be said.

yowlingcat 7y ago

Not only are you wrong, but you're being dramatic and deflecting criticism. People being "shitty" when you ask for legal advice online or not is a complete red herring because it is an inappropriate and dangerous substitution. Fiverr? Are you kidding? You can get a fairly cheap half hour consultation of some kind with many a good lawyer for a few hundred dollars AT MOST and it will not be a waste of time. There's only one right answer here. Your answer is dangerous and your attitude is flippant. You need to seriously rethink both, or you're going to get yourself or someone else in hot water someday.

runninganyways 7y ago
It's pretty clear that you're in read-only mode. You think you know the only answer so what can I tell you.
- yowlingcat 7y ago
  I've had a lot of conversations about this lately, but my tolerance for this kind of ignorance ends where the possible damage begins. You are directly leading someone down a dangerous course and playing with fire. Feel free to make that choice for yourself if you really want to, but don't expect to give this poor advice to others in a public forum without a reality check.