I agree with you, and I've done that approach, but it is really more painful and it only works if later on you are considered a Guru (by them, not by you), hard

I agree with you, and I've done that approach, but it is really more painful and it only works if later on you are considered a Guru (by them, not by you), hard worker and a go-to guy who always helps. And it takes longer to work. The subtle way is less painful and you begin with the right foot.