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This sounds eerily similar to some of the early proofs of God. I think there may be a flaw in this line of thinking. |Thus humans can never understand the brai

This sounds eerily similar to some of the early proofs of God. I think there may be a flaw in this line of thinking. |Thus humans can never understand the brain because the brain has equal complexity to itself and for the brain to understand the brain then it must have greater complexity than itself which is impossible. We don't need to know the entire state of the brain at any given moment to understand the mechanics of the brain, just as we don't need to know the entire state of every molecule on planet Earth in order to understand it's physics.

crimsonalucard 7y ago
Sigh. My statement of impossibility was understanding the brain understanding the brain as a whole. This is the only part that is IMPOSSIBLE. Your statement of modularizing portions of understanding into pieces to deal with complexity is isomorphic to my statement that we can only hope to understand A representation of the brain as a simplification. The chemists who understand molecules Understand the atom of the as a symbolic representation. The physicist understands the atom in a more detailed manner and sees the molecule as a symbolic representation. In short each human as individuals CAN ONLY understand the BRAIN as a symbolic simplification. This is the BEST possible outcome. What you are SAYING is the EXACT same thing I am SAYING. The one difference is... I am taking it ONE STEP further with a speculation on the nature of intelligence. There exists concepts in this world that are fundamental and cannot be modularized. It is a very reasonable speculation that the understanding of consciousness itself cannot be further modularized or subdivided. I am saying that in order to understand consciousness it may very well be, that we have to understand consciousness as a complex whole and this complexity may be too big for us to hold in our heads. This IS a realistic possibility. We are already seeing the limits to this with the black box nature of the neural nets we are generating. A possible future simulation of Consciousness may very well be encoded in the same blackbox that our deep fakes are also trapped in. Either way this was a speculation. You (and many others) completely misunderstanding and taking it the wrong way.

crimsonalucard 7y ago

Sigh. My statement of impossibility was understanding the brain understanding the brain as a whole. This is the only part that is IMPOSSIBLE. Your statement of modularizing portions of understanding into pieces to deal with complexity is isomorphic to my statement that we can only hope to understand A representation of the brain as a simplification. The chemists who understand molecules Understand the atom of the as a symbolic representation. The physicist understands the atom in a more detailed manner and sees the molecule as a symbolic representation. In short each human as individuals CAN ONLY understand the BRAIN as a symbolic simplification. This is the BEST possible outcome. What you are SAYING is the EXACT same thing I am SAYING. The one difference is... I am taking it ONE STEP further with a speculation on the nature of intelligence. There exists concepts in this world that are fundamental and cannot be modularized. It is a very reasonable speculation that the understanding of consciousness itself cannot be further modularized or subdivided. I am saying that in order to understand consciousness it may very well be, that we have to understand consciousness as a complex whole and this complexity may be too big for us to hold in our heads. This IS a realistic possibility. We are already seeing the limits to this with the black box nature of the neural nets we are generating. A possible future simulation of Consciousness may very well be encoded in the same blackbox that our deep fakes are also trapped in. Either way this was a speculation. You (and many others) completely misunderstanding and taking it the wrong way.