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In case you ever doubted the systemd team suffers from delusions of grandeur.

by fwxwi 7y ago

mgbmtl 7y ago
Really? Like most projects, they have a logo. What's wrong with that?
- fwxwi 7y ago
  A logo, a palette of colours, a typography, brand guidelines... all for an init system for Linux. They think they are fucking Coca Cola. If you don't think that's just insane... well I'm just getting old I guess.
  - calcifer 7y ago
    An init system is just one of many, many projects under the systemd umbrella. Perhaps you should learn more about a project before launching into criticism?
    - fwxwi 7y ago
      Ah that is true. That reminds me that they should only be an init system and not Cthulhu. Friendly reminder that they managed to infiltrate all distros by creating a hard dependency from GNOME to systemd, which they could only pull off because both projects belong to the same corporation.
      - sjy 7y ago
        That makes it sound pretty sinister. Personally I like systemd and the fact that it’s widely deployed. Time spent learning it feels productive in a way that learning about the internals of specific distros doesn’t.
      - calcifer 7y ago
        > infiltrate all distros > hard dependency from GNOME to systemd > both projects belong to the same corporation It is honestly impressive how you've managed to fit three different factually incorrect statements in a single sentence. Kudos.
        fwxwi 7y ago
        GNOME and systemd are funded almost completely by Red Hat and their biggest contributors are full-time Red Hat employees. GNOME does not run at all without systemd. Even the biggest Linux distros, like Gentoo, struggle to create a patchset to modify GNOME so it does not require systemd; every new version of GNOME takes months to reach Gentoo stable. Most distros have bent the knee and switched to systemd because they had no other option, as GNOME is the most used Linux desktop so they kinda call the shots.
        esarbe 7y ago
        Rrrrraaiiight.. Because it's sooo much easier to switch a whole distrubution to a new init system instead of.... Just providing a replacement library for the library that the systemd maintainers took on the burden of maintaining. Right! Dude, you sound like a conspiracy nut. It's constantly amazing to what length of self-delusion systemd haters are willing to go. Just. Woah.
        SahAssar 7y ago
        If the changes are so bad and the maintainers are ignoring proper concerns why not use one of the forks?
        esarbe 7y ago
        It's amazing, isn't it? And he makes it seem so effortlessly!
      - lberk 7y ago
        Is that true? systemd is part of freedesktop.org (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/) > freedesktop.org is a completely volunteer organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream. We are a member project of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., for the purposes of holding assets. meanwhile gnome has it's own foundation at https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ > The GNOME Foundation is a non-profit organization that furthers the goals of the GNOME Project, helping it to create a free software computing platform for the general public that is designed to be elegant, efficient, and easy to use.
    - edoceo 7y ago
      So pretty soon SystemD will add additional service of beverages and, like the Borg, assimilate Coca-Cola?
      - SahAssar 7y ago
        Are you similarly opposed to gnome having a logo? k8s? linux? What is the actual issue with having a logo and basic design guidelines?
        edoceo 7y ago
        Oh, I was just piling on another comment that's a dig at the ever increasing footprint of SystemD. I'm not opposed to branding effort by any FOSS project, identity is important. This effort by SystemD is a "good thing" but, I'm not likely rep their kit
  - theossuary 7y ago
    They wrote down the details of how they made their logo; the typeface they used, the colors they used, and the reasoning behind it. I guess they could have just uploaded the design file. I'm gonna guess this is the information Tobias Bernard (the designer) provided them after creating the logo. This is basic design/UI stuff in my mind. I do find it a little funny they don't use 'systemd green' for the hyperlinks on the page, and instead use a different, similar color.
  - mgbmtl 7y ago
    Seems pretty standard.. and while I appreciate that branding work, I feel like it's not like a ton of work or money went into it. I've seen small-ish FOSS projects having long debates on uppercase vs lowercase in logos, libre fonts, etc. And why not, even if we don't always agree with the end result, art does tend to help build a community :)
  - sergiomattei 7y ago
    It's an open source project, and nowadays they have logos and branding. What's the big deal? It's identifiable and helps give a friendlier face to new contributors and outsiders.
    - Devil999 7y ago
      What's the big deal? It's a non-commercial, non-market, FOSS undertaking that affects the majority of users and systems. "Brand" implies a commercial, for-profit market entity. The idea of "brands" should stay within the for-profit realm, but unfortunately, young people who fell victim to brain slugs (aka corporate interns who hone their skills by "taking part in free software" in their spare time) think it's a good idea to spread this logic of for-profit companies even further, to places where it is NOT needed. It's a kind of "corporate capitalism with a human face" cr_p. And that "friendlier face to new contributors" argument is bull__it, since programmers who want to contribute to foss software are not a herd of scared animals that needs 'friendly' visual cues, and usually know what they are doing. Besides, systemd's development is centralized, and its scope is too large for a single beginner contributor, so it's ideology, like a smiley face and "Welcome!" on a fence of private property. They didn't even ask their users about their logo, why? They decided to act like an isolated corporate entity instead, contrary to precepts of non-proprietary software. I don't think community development is even a thing nowadays, everything is semi-corporate.
  - alchemism 7y ago
    You should see the slick graphic skateboard decks for CNCF projects they have at KubeCon. The Prometheus one is killer. This isn’t your grandfather’s open source, no sir. (Edit: check the #k8sordie tag on Twitter)
    - modernerd 7y ago
      The decks: https://mobile.twitter.com/danielpopes/status/1196850321491812352 https://mobile.twitter.com/danielpopes/status/11968503214918...
  - Gibbon1 7y ago
    Ya'll realize they're slowly doing an embrace, extend, extinguish on Linux don't you?
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In case you ever doubted the systemd team suffers from delusions of grandeur.

by fwxwi 7y ago

In case you ever doubted the systemd team suffers from delusions of grandeur.

mgbmtl 7y ago

Really? Like most projects, they have a logo. What's wrong with that?

fwxwi 7y ago
A logo, a palette of colours, a typography, brand guidelines... all for an init system for Linux. They think they are fucking Coca Cola. If you don't think that's just insane... well I'm just getting old I guess.
- calcifer 7y ago
  An init system is just one of many, many projects under the systemd umbrella. Perhaps you should learn more about a project before launching into criticism?
  - fwxwi 7y ago
    Ah that is true. That reminds me that they should only be an init system and not Cthulhu. Friendly reminder that they managed to infiltrate all distros by creating a hard dependency from GNOME to systemd, which they could only pull off because both projects belong to the same corporation.
    - sjy 7y ago
      That makes it sound pretty sinister. Personally I like systemd and the fact that it’s widely deployed. Time spent learning it feels productive in a way that learning about the internals of specific distros doesn’t.
    - calcifer 7y ago
      > infiltrate all distros > hard dependency from GNOME to systemd > both projects belong to the same corporation It is honestly impressive how you've managed to fit three different factually incorrect statements in a single sentence. Kudos.
      - fwxwi 7y ago
        GNOME and systemd are funded almost completely by Red Hat and their biggest contributors are full-time Red Hat employees. GNOME does not run at all without systemd. Even the biggest Linux distros, like Gentoo, struggle to create a patchset to modify GNOME so it does not require systemd; every new version of GNOME takes months to reach Gentoo stable. Most distros have bent the knee and switched to systemd because they had no other option, as GNOME is the most used Linux desktop so they kinda call the shots.
        esarbe 7y ago
        Rrrrraaiiight.. Because it's sooo much easier to switch a whole distrubution to a new init system instead of.... Just providing a replacement library for the library that the systemd maintainers took on the burden of maintaining. Right! Dude, you sound like a conspiracy nut. It's constantly amazing to what length of self-delusion systemd haters are willing to go. Just. Woah.
        SahAssar 7y ago
        If the changes are so bad and the maintainers are ignoring proper concerns why not use one of the forks?
      - esarbe 7y ago
        It's amazing, isn't it? And he makes it seem so effortlessly!
    - lberk 7y ago
      Is that true? systemd is part of freedesktop.org (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/) > freedesktop.org is a completely volunteer organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream. We are a member project of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., for the purposes of holding assets. meanwhile gnome has it's own foundation at https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ > The GNOME Foundation is a non-profit organization that furthers the goals of the GNOME Project, helping it to create a free software computing platform for the general public that is designed to be elegant, efficient, and easy to use.
  - edoceo 7y ago
    So pretty soon SystemD will add additional service of beverages and, like the Borg, assimilate Coca-Cola?
    - SahAssar 7y ago
      Are you similarly opposed to gnome having a logo? k8s? linux? What is the actual issue with having a logo and basic design guidelines?
      - edoceo 7y ago
        Oh, I was just piling on another comment that's a dig at the ever increasing footprint of SystemD. I'm not opposed to branding effort by any FOSS project, identity is important. This effort by SystemD is a "good thing" but, I'm not likely rep their kit
- theossuary 7y ago
  They wrote down the details of how they made their logo; the typeface they used, the colors they used, and the reasoning behind it. I guess they could have just uploaded the design file. I'm gonna guess this is the information Tobias Bernard (the designer) provided them after creating the logo. This is basic design/UI stuff in my mind. I do find it a little funny they don't use 'systemd green' for the hyperlinks on the page, and instead use a different, similar color.
- mgbmtl 7y ago
  Seems pretty standard.. and while I appreciate that branding work, I feel like it's not like a ton of work or money went into it. I've seen small-ish FOSS projects having long debates on uppercase vs lowercase in logos, libre fonts, etc. And why not, even if we don't always agree with the end result, art does tend to help build a community :)
- sergiomattei 7y ago
  It's an open source project, and nowadays they have logos and branding. What's the big deal? It's identifiable and helps give a friendlier face to new contributors and outsiders.
  - Devil999 7y ago
    What's the big deal? It's a non-commercial, non-market, FOSS undertaking that affects the majority of users and systems. "Brand" implies a commercial, for-profit market entity. The idea of "brands" should stay within the for-profit realm, but unfortunately, young people who fell victim to brain slugs (aka corporate interns who hone their skills by "taking part in free software" in their spare time) think it's a good idea to spread this logic of for-profit companies even further, to places where it is NOT needed. It's a kind of "corporate capitalism with a human face" cr_p. And that "friendlier face to new contributors" argument is bull__it, since programmers who want to contribute to foss software are not a herd of scared animals that needs 'friendly' visual cues, and usually know what they are doing. Besides, systemd's development is centralized, and its scope is too large for a single beginner contributor, so it's ideology, like a smiley face and "Welcome!" on a fence of private property. They didn't even ask their users about their logo, why? They decided to act like an isolated corporate entity instead, contrary to precepts of non-proprietary software. I don't think community development is even a thing nowadays, everything is semi-corporate.
- alchemism 7y ago
  You should see the slick graphic skateboard decks for CNCF projects they have at KubeCon. The Prometheus one is killer. This isn’t your grandfather’s open source, no sir. (Edit: check the #k8sordie tag on Twitter)
  - modernerd 7y ago
    The decks: https://mobile.twitter.com/danielpopes/status/1196850321491812352 https://mobile.twitter.com/danielpopes/status/11968503214918...
- Gibbon1 7y ago
  Ya'll realize they're slowly doing an embrace, extend, extinguish on Linux don't you?

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