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You are equating "telling a person to shut up and leave the discussion while allowing other people to keep attacking them in some way" with physically and force

You are equating "telling a person to shut up and leave the discussion while allowing other people to keep attacking them in some way" with physically and forcefully removing them from the discussion, when it rather refers to a social expectation/demand of a group vs. an individual. Such a signal is also sent by downvotes without argument, not to mention piling on to a downvoted or flagged comment (people can respond to response to a flagged comment just fine, and can agree with each other about how horrible the flagged person is or what else they probably advocate for, and all that stuff), while that person is rate limited if not shadowbanned. I can't vote on comments anymore, neither positive nor negative. No clue why, it's been that way since a few months and I stopped caring, just like I wouldn't terribly mind "writing for the showdead community exclusively". But I know that I upvoted comments that I found reasonable, and unfairly greyed out. So either I was manually selected for that, without any precedent or any communication, or there's an algorithm that blindly removes voting from people who don't agree with the herd enough. Either way, the people who haven't been on the wrong end of the stick much are always super quick to assume that means there's nothing shitty going on. But that has more to do with what people want to believe, not with actually looking into any of it.

saagarjha 7y ago
> people can respond to response to a flagged comment just fine, and can agree with each other about how horrible the flagged person is or what else they probably advocate for, and all that stuff Can people actually do that? I have rarely, if ever, seen this on Hacker News, and I feel like anything like this would be a good way to be downvoted or flagged yourself. > I wouldn't terribly mind "writing for the showdead community exclusively". You're not alone: there are a number of people who do this already. > But I know that I upvoted comments that I found reasonable, and unfairly greyed out. So either I was manually selected for that, without any precedent or any communication, or there's an algorithm that blindly removes voting from people who don't agree with the herd enough. I wonder if this was supposed to be a nudge to use the "vouch" feature instead? Even if it was, it wasn't a particularly good one. Maybe the moderators could tell you why you can't vote if you emailed them?
- kjs3 7y ago
  I've been showdead forever; apparently I'm supposed to genuflect to one of the mods and beg forgiveness for some slight and I can't quite lower myself to do that on this forum. I apparently can comment, flag, etc., though I don't know who can see it or to what effect. Enough people upvote and/or comment on what I say that it's equivalent to (and somewhat satisfying) be "writing for the showdead community exclusively". Never touched the vouch. YMMV.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Your comments don't seem dead…
  - dang 7y ago
    Your account isn't penalized in any way. It was banned at one point, but we unbanned it when it was mostly posting good comments. We try to do that as much as we can.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  > Can people actually do that? We're doing it right now, the top level parent comment was dead before I made my first reply to you. > Maybe the moderators could tell you why you can't vote if you emailed them? HN could also have a feature that allows mods to communicate with users. I'm not going to use my main email anyway, and making a throwaway email for that is no more "community-like" -- it's just a hoop I don't see any reason for jumping through. Being transparent about moderating, and discussing such things in the open rather than behind closed doors, is a courtesy so basic for my sensibilities I won't beg for it from those who don't give it freely.
- dimino 7y ago
  You're literally doing it right now, my comment got flagged, lol... Don't bother suggesting innovation in HN, it hasn't been updated in 10+ years, and for some reason they're proud of that fact.
  - Lewton 7y ago

saagarjha 7y ago

> people can respond to response to a flagged comment just fine, and can agree with each other about how horrible the flagged person is or what else they probably advocate for, and all that stuff Can people actually do that? I have rarely, if ever, seen this on Hacker News, and I feel like anything like this would be a good way to be downvoted or flagged yourself. > I wouldn't terribly mind "writing for the showdead community exclusively". You're not alone: there are a number of people who do this already. > But I know that I upvoted comments that I found reasonable, and unfairly greyed out. So either I was manually selected for that, without any precedent or any communication, or there's an algorithm that blindly removes voting from people who don't agree with the herd enough. I wonder if this was supposed to be a nudge to use the "vouch" feature instead? Even if it was, it wasn't a particularly good one. Maybe the moderators could tell you why you can't vote if you emailed them?

kjs3 7y ago
I've been showdead forever; apparently I'm supposed to genuflect to one of the mods and beg forgiveness for some slight and I can't quite lower myself to do that on this forum. I apparently can comment, flag, etc., though I don't know who can see it or to what effect. Enough people upvote and/or comment on what I say that it's equivalent to (and somewhat satisfying) be "writing for the showdead community exclusively". Never touched the vouch. YMMV.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Your comments don't seem dead…
- dang 7y ago
  Your account isn't penalized in any way. It was banned at one point, but we unbanned it when it was mostly posting good comments. We try to do that as much as we can.
PavlovsCat 7y ago
> Can people actually do that? We're doing it right now, the top level parent comment was dead before I made my first reply to you. > Maybe the moderators could tell you why you can't vote if you emailed them? HN could also have a feature that allows mods to communicate with users. I'm not going to use my main email anyway, and making a throwaway email for that is no more "community-like" -- it's just a hoop I don't see any reason for jumping through. Being transparent about moderating, and discussing such things in the open rather than behind closed doors, is a courtesy so basic for my sensibilities I won't beg for it from those who don't give it freely.
dimino 7y ago
You're literally doing it right now, my comment got flagged, lol... Don't bother suggesting innovation in HN, it hasn't been updated in 10+ years, and for some reason they're proud of that fact.
- Lewton 7y ago