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Not talking about dead comments, talking about the rate limiting that's selectively applied to certain IPs/accounts.

by dimino 7y ago

saagarjha 7y ago
What kind of rate limiting are you seeing? In general, I feel like once you've started feeling the need to post more than once every couple of minutes, then you're more than likely diving in to a nonproductive discussion. (And note that this is different than normally posting more often than that: I am specifically talking about "I need to reply to these four people who are nitpicking me, and I need to rebut their comments now", as opposed to "I'm going through a comment thread and commenting on whatever seems interesting; I would be fine with making this reply at a later point in time".)
- dimino 7y ago
  > The absolute worst thing you can do is to tell that person to shut up and leave the discussion while allowing other people to keep attacking them in some way. Are you forgetting what we're talking about? Keep in mind you replied to my comment claiming I was wrong, and have since been shown to be wrong yourself. Edit: This is what I see when I try to comment at all on HN for the next ~1 hour: https://gyazo.com/d8ae5c6c5675919f4366b1ce928ad016 https://gyazo.com/d8ae5c6c5675919f4366b1ce928ad016 Dang is not a good shepherd of HN and shouldn't be in the role that he's in. Edit: and now this is flagged. How dare I represent an alternative viewpoint of how dang is performing...
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    No, I'm still on topic. I did not realize that Hacker News would rate limit for that long, so I had assumed your comments were just being flagged or killed.
  - dang 7y ago
    Low-information/high-indignation comments like this are exactly what we rate limit accounts for, when they post too many of them. That's why your accounts are rate-limited, as we've explained to you a dozen times or more. Most HN users who read this thread, or the history of your accounts, will be surprised how lenient we've been with you.
- Bnshsysjab 7y ago
  Replying to four different comments can be productive discussion too, when four interesting threads spawn as a result of your comment, for example.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Yes, but usually there's no need to reply to them immediately (as I reply to this one a minute after it was posted…)
    - humanrebar 7y ago
      Unless your five minute break ends in two minutes.
- Turing_Machine 7y ago
  What you call "replying to these four people who are nitpicking me" is what someone else might call "defending my point of view against being mobbed/shouted down".
- kjs3 7y ago
  No, what I've seen is a seemingly arbitrary rate limit across multiple articles. More of a "we're tired of your input" than "you need to take time to chill out".
- dang 7y ago
  We rate-limit accounts that break the site guidelines and/or get involved in flamewars frequently. We're also happy to remove rate limits—and often do—when people email hn@ycombinator.com and promise to use the site as intended in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
I don't think people get rate limits for having minority viewpoints. They get rate limits for acting rudely and breaking the site guidelines, none of which are viewpoint-specific. (I know, as someone who once had a rate limit and cleaned up his act.)
- droithomme 7y ago
  Moderators respond to flagged posts. Minority viewpoint posts are the ones that are flagged. Popular viewpoint posts are not flagged.
  - dang 7y ago
    Popular viewpoint posts get flagged, as they should, when they break the site guidelines. We couldn't care less if a view is popular or not. What we care about is that discussion follow the rules at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - mistermann 7y ago
      Does the rate limiting code take downvotes into consideration?
      - dang 7y ago
        No.
      - mistermann 7y ago
        Why in God's name would a simple question be downvoted? Dang, do you perchance monitor any habitual downvoting of users by particular other users? edit: lol, downvoted within 2 minutes. Here, I'll make it easy for you mysterious friend, here's another new one for you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21545859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21545859
        7y ago

Not talking about dead comments, talking about the rate limiting that's selectively applied to certain IPs/accounts.

by dimino 7y ago

Not talking about dead comments, talking about the rate limiting that's selectively applied to certain IPs/accounts.

What kind of rate limiting are you seeing? In general, I feel like once you've started feeling the need to post more than once every couple of minutes, then you're more than likely diving in to a nonproductive discussion. (And note that this is different than normally posting more often than that: I am specifically talking about "I need to reply to these four people who are nitpicking me, and I need to rebut their comments now", as opposed to "I'm going through a comment thread and commenting on whatever seems interesting; I would be fine with making this reply at a later point in time".)

dimino 7y ago
> The absolute worst thing you can do is to tell that person to shut up and leave the discussion while allowing other people to keep attacking them in some way. Are you forgetting what we're talking about? Keep in mind you replied to my comment claiming I was wrong, and have since been shown to be wrong yourself. Edit: This is what I see when I try to comment at all on HN for the next ~1 hour: https://gyazo.com/d8ae5c6c5675919f4366b1ce928ad016 https://gyazo.com/d8ae5c6c5675919f4366b1ce928ad016 Dang is not a good shepherd of HN and shouldn't be in the role that he's in. Edit: and now this is flagged. How dare I represent an alternative viewpoint of how dang is performing...
- saagarjha 7y ago
  No, I'm still on topic. I did not realize that Hacker News would rate limit for that long, so I had assumed your comments were just being flagged or killed.
- dang 7y ago
  Low-information/high-indignation comments like this are exactly what we rate limit accounts for, when they post too many of them. That's why your accounts are rate-limited, as we've explained to you a dozen times or more. Most HN users who read this thread, or the history of your accounts, will be surprised how lenient we've been with you.
Bnshsysjab 7y ago
Replying to four different comments can be productive discussion too, when four interesting threads spawn as a result of your comment, for example.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Yes, but usually there's no need to reply to them immediately (as I reply to this one a minute after it was posted…)
  - humanrebar 7y ago
    Unless your five minute break ends in two minutes.
Turing_Machine 7y ago
What you call "replying to these four people who are nitpicking me" is what someone else might call "defending my point of view against being mobbed/shouted down".
kjs3 7y ago
No, what I've seen is a seemingly arbitrary rate limit across multiple articles. More of a "we're tired of your input" than "you need to take time to chill out".
dang 7y ago
We rate-limit accounts that break the site guidelines and/or get involved in flamewars frequently. We're also happy to remove rate limits—and often do—when people email hn@ycombinator.com and promise to use the site as intended in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago

I don't think people get rate limits for having minority viewpoints. They get rate limits for acting rudely and breaking the site guidelines, none of which are viewpoint-specific. (I know, as someone who once had a rate limit and cleaned up his act.)

droithomme 7y ago
Moderators respond to flagged posts. Minority viewpoint posts are the ones that are flagged. Popular viewpoint posts are not flagged.
- dang 7y ago
  Popular viewpoint posts get flagged, as they should, when they break the site guidelines. We couldn't care less if a view is popular or not. What we care about is that discussion follow the rules at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mistermann 7y ago
    Does the rate limiting code take downvotes into consideration?
    - dang 7y ago
      No.
    - mistermann 7y ago
      Why in God's name would a simple question be downvoted? Dang, do you perchance monitor any habitual downvoting of users by particular other users? edit: lol, downvoted within 2 minutes. Here, I'll make it easy for you mysterious friend, here's another new one for you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21545859 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21545859
      - 7y ago