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Full digest of the bill - https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-digests/document/52PLLaw25931/climate-change-response-zero-carbon-amendment-bill-

Full digest of the bill - https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-digests/document/52PLLaw25931/climate-change-response-zero-carbon-amendment-bill-2019 https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-digests... Lots to read over, but this stuck out to me so far. "gross emissions of biogenic methane in a calendar year are 10% less than 2017 emissions by the calendar year beginning on 1 January 2030; and are at least 24% to 47% less than 2017 emissions by the calendar year beginning on 1 January 2050 and for each subsequent calendar year" "no remedy or relief is available for failure to meet the 2050 target or an emissions budget, and the 2050 target and emissions budgets are not enforceable in a court of law, except that if the 2050 target or an emissions budget is not met, a court may make a declaration to that effect, together with an award of costs"

marcusverus 7y ago
Unless they plan to ban the consumption of meat, the biogenic methane cap seems like it would result in more emissions. If Kiwis don't grow their own beef, they will just have it shipped from abroad. Same consumption pattern, no global change in gross biogenic methane, but now there is the added emissions of shipping the beef across an ocean. Also, I can scarcely think of a more Orwellian idea than that Kiwis may soon be required to hold a (scarce) methane permit in order to raise livestock on their own land. Your sow had a litter, ey? Hope your permits are in order!
- phs318u 7y ago
  There are other approaches to livestock methane reduction being actively investigated (and I’d suggest more promising than perennial unicorns such as carbon sequestration). One example: https://blog.csiro.au/feeding-seaweed-to-cows-our-livestock-methane-research-lights-up/ https://blog.csiro.au/feeding-seaweed-to-cows-our-livestock-...
  - ip26 7y ago
    Even just feeding cows grass instead of corn improves the methane emissions.
    - phs318u 7y ago
      I think corn feed is more of a US thing due to the over abundance of subsidised corn production (I’m amazed at how much of the human and animal food chain in the US is corn derived). In Australia and NZ, it’s mainly grass/hay.
- vkou 7y ago
  There is a third option, which you have not considered - tariffs on non-conforming importers. > Also, I can scarcely think of a more Orwellian idea than that Kiwis may soon be required to hold a (scarce) methane permit in order to raise livestock on their own land. Your sow had a litter, ey? Hope your permits are in order! Canada operates this exact way with dairy licenses, and last time I dropped by, it wasn't an Orwellian nightmare. It's got a bit of a cronyism problem, but I've yet to see a country that doesn't.

marcusverus 7y ago

Unless they plan to ban the consumption of meat, the biogenic methane cap seems like it would result in more emissions. If Kiwis don't grow their own beef, they will just have it shipped from abroad. Same consumption pattern, no global change in gross biogenic methane, but now there is the added emissions of shipping the beef across an ocean. Also, I can scarcely think of a more Orwellian idea than that Kiwis may soon be required to hold a (scarce) methane permit in order to raise livestock on their own land. Your sow had a litter, ey? Hope your permits are in order!

phs318u 7y ago
There are other approaches to livestock methane reduction being actively investigated (and I’d suggest more promising than perennial unicorns such as carbon sequestration). One example: https://blog.csiro.au/feeding-seaweed-to-cows-our-livestock-methane-research-lights-up/ https://blog.csiro.au/feeding-seaweed-to-cows-our-livestock-...
- ip26 7y ago
  Even just feeding cows grass instead of corn improves the methane emissions.
  - phs318u 7y ago
    I think corn feed is more of a US thing due to the over abundance of subsidised corn production (I’m amazed at how much of the human and animal food chain in the US is corn derived). In Australia and NZ, it’s mainly grass/hay.
vkou 7y ago
There is a third option, which you have not considered - tariffs on non-conforming importers. > Also, I can scarcely think of a more Orwellian idea than that Kiwis may soon be required to hold a (scarce) methane permit in order to raise livestock on their own land. Your sow had a litter, ey? Hope your permits are in order! Canada operates this exact way with dairy licenses, and last time I dropped by, it wasn't an Orwellian nightmare. It's got a bit of a cronyism problem, but I've yet to see a country that doesn't.