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Mmh Switzerland has one of the best public transport system in the world, and it is heavily subsidized (https://www.voev.ch/de/Service/Downloadsindex.php?sectio

Mmh Switzerland has one of the best public transport system in the world, and it is heavily subsidized (https://www.voev.ch/de/Service/Downloadsindex.php?section=downloads&download=2208 https://www.voev.ch/de/Service/Downloadsindex.php?section=do...). How does this fit with your ultra-capitalism-one-pays-for-everything description?

jandrese 7y ago
All personal transport is heavily subsidized. Especially automobiles unless you live in an area that is completely covered in toll roads.
- Annatar 7y ago
  Considering all the taxes car owners pay in Switzerland, such as street tax, the vignette, fuel tax (which gets completely misappropriated, for public transportation no less, while the car owners sit in traffic jams every day), how are private cars subsidized? The "milk cow" initiative caused a scandal when it was found out that the money drivers have been paying for years in fuel taxes was being misappropriated to fill budget holes elsewhere for decades! How are cars subsidized?
  - jandrese 7y ago
    In the US the gas tax is only covers about 20% of the road budget in most states, the rest comes from other sources like income and property taxes. Public transport however is expected to be entirely self sufficient and is held up as an example of the failure of public projects when it ends up being more expensive than driving a car if you don't account for 80% of the roads funding.
    - Annatar 7y ago
      That's in the U.S., but we are discussing Switzerland, not the U.S. here, and in Switzerland, the taxes private car owners pay generate huge surpluses which are then embezzled by the federal government to plug up budget holes elsewhere, as well as for subsidizing public transportation. Meanwhile, car owners in Switzerland must sit in traffic jams at least twice per day because no new roads are being built, just the existing ones maintained.
Annatar 7y ago
It has to generate profit, subsidized or not.

jandrese 7y ago

All personal transport is heavily subsidized. Especially automobiles unless you live in an area that is completely covered in toll roads.

Annatar 7y ago
Considering all the taxes car owners pay in Switzerland, such as street tax, the vignette, fuel tax (which gets completely misappropriated, for public transportation no less, while the car owners sit in traffic jams every day), how are private cars subsidized? The "milk cow" initiative caused a scandal when it was found out that the money drivers have been paying for years in fuel taxes was being misappropriated to fill budget holes elsewhere for decades! How are cars subsidized?
- jandrese 7y ago
  In the US the gas tax is only covers about 20% of the road budget in most states, the rest comes from other sources like income and property taxes. Public transport however is expected to be entirely self sufficient and is held up as an example of the failure of public projects when it ends up being more expensive than driving a car if you don't account for 80% of the roads funding.
  - Annatar 7y ago
    That's in the U.S., but we are discussing Switzerland, not the U.S. here, and in Switzerland, the taxes private car owners pay generate huge surpluses which are then embezzled by the federal government to plug up budget holes elsewhere, as well as for subsidizing public transportation. Meanwhile, car owners in Switzerland must sit in traffic jams at least twice per day because no new roads are being built, just the existing ones maintained.

Annatar 7y ago

It has to generate profit, subsidized or not.