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And then go back to the grocery store every day. What a waste of time. You can also wash your laundry but hand. The reality is we have these appliances (includi

And then go back to the grocery store every day. What a waste of time. You can also wash your laundry but hand. The reality is we have these appliances (including cars) because they increase our personal efficiency quite a bit.

likeclockwork 7y ago
Going to the grocery store ever? What a waste of time when you can order groceries.
kiba 7y ago
Those personal appliance have very real cost, especially in term of how much space it takes up on the roads and the amount of parking lots allocated. All of these increased the distance you have to walk to get somewhere and increased congestion. I saw traffic in Sagion, Vietnam. Believe me, cars stick out like sore thumb compared to motorcycles and bikes, and if everyone uses car, traffic would basically grind to a halt. With the way we use cars in America, it's very inefficient.
lmm 7y ago
Nah, the suburban life was a strange fashion that took hold for a few decades but never really made sense, and thus it's now in decline as people return to the city cores. For the older generation owning a car was a status symbol, but the younger generation doesn't care.
- greedo 7y ago
  Check back with us in 30 years. I bet suburbs will still be hugely popular in the US.
- rayiner 7y ago
  That trend lasted about 10 seconds: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/29/millennials-are-fleeing-big-cities-for-the-suburbs.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/29/millennials-are-fleeing-big-... I like living in the city. My wife and I did it with our daughter until she was 5. But the problem with American cities isn’t cars. It’s that they offer no solutions for parents who aren’t rich. (And almost everyone ends up becoming a parent at some point.) Schools, family centric activities, transportation, affordable housing. You need a million dollars to buy a house in a good school district in many major US cities (if one even exists). There’s not much in the way of other kids around. (Babies, maybe, but how often do you see 10 year olds in NYC that aren’t tourists?)
  - charstarstar 7y ago
    So, that CNBC article summarizes an article in WSJ that cites 27,000 people leaving some of the largest cities in the US. The problem is that the changes in each city are actually much smaller than the margin of error for the data that WSJ uses (I think it was ACS 5-year estimates). This post goes into more detail on why that narrative is most likely noise: http://cityobservatory.org/no-youth_exodus_signal-noise/ http://cityobservatory.org/no-youth_exodus_signal-noise/ Edit: 27k is approximately 0.25% of all 25-34 year olds living in cities with pops over 500k (which is what WSJ reported on). Not an exodus at all and it's really a bit of a nonsense narrative that WSJ has been pushing hard.
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- VintageCool 7y ago
  People are still moving to the suburbs. They're growing at rates comparable to the city core. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/05/25/early-decade-big-city-growth-continues-to-fall-off-census-shows/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/05/25/early-d...

likeclockwork 7y ago

Going to the grocery store ever? What a waste of time when you can order groceries.

kiba 7y ago

Those personal appliance have very real cost, especially in term of how much space it takes up on the roads and the amount of parking lots allocated. All of these increased the distance you have to walk to get somewhere and increased congestion. I saw traffic in Sagion, Vietnam. Believe me, cars stick out like sore thumb compared to motorcycles and bikes, and if everyone uses car, traffic would basically grind to a halt. With the way we use cars in America, it's very inefficient.

lmm 7y ago

Nah, the suburban life was a strange fashion that took hold for a few decades but never really made sense, and thus it's now in decline as people return to the city cores. For the older generation owning a car was a status symbol, but the younger generation doesn't care.

greedo 7y ago
Check back with us in 30 years. I bet suburbs will still be hugely popular in the US.
rayiner 7y ago
That trend lasted about 10 seconds: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/29/millennials-are-fleeing-big-cities-for-the-suburbs.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/29/millennials-are-fleeing-big-... I like living in the city. My wife and I did it with our daughter until she was 5. But the problem with American cities isn’t cars. It’s that they offer no solutions for parents who aren’t rich. (And almost everyone ends up becoming a parent at some point.) Schools, family centric activities, transportation, affordable housing. You need a million dollars to buy a house in a good school district in many major US cities (if one even exists). There’s not much in the way of other kids around. (Babies, maybe, but how often do you see 10 year olds in NYC that aren’t tourists?)
- charstarstar 7y ago
  So, that CNBC article summarizes an article in WSJ that cites 27,000 people leaving some of the largest cities in the US. The problem is that the changes in each city are actually much smaller than the margin of error for the data that WSJ uses (I think it was ACS 5-year estimates). This post goes into more detail on why that narrative is most likely noise: http://cityobservatory.org/no-youth_exodus_signal-noise/ http://cityobservatory.org/no-youth_exodus_signal-noise/ Edit: 27k is approximately 0.25% of all 25-34 year olds living in cities with pops over 500k (which is what WSJ reported on). Not an exodus at all and it's really a bit of a nonsense narrative that WSJ has been pushing hard.
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VintageCool 7y ago
People are still moving to the suburbs. They're growing at rates comparable to the city core. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/05/25/early-decade-big-city-growth-continues-to-fall-off-census-shows/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/05/25/early-d...