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What are you crying about? Both Firefox and Chrome support a common format for defining search engines from add-ons: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/

by aswan 7y ago

What are you crying about? Both Firefox and Chrome support a common format for defining search engines from add-ons: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/manifest.json/chrome_settings_overrides https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web... https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/settings_override https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/settings_override The fact that it doesn't have "open" in its name doesn't actually make it any less open or interoperable. This is about standardizing on having a single and modern way to define search engines, nothing more and nothing less.

Macha 7y ago
There are two separate gatekeepers in AMO and the CWS. On the other hand, OpenSearch is used for the "Add search for this field" option which just needs some metadata defined on the web page. If they were just removing OpenSearch in xpi on AMO, that'd be fine, but the post says they intend to remove OpenSearch as a whole.
dictum 7y ago
> Both Firefox and Chrome support a common format for defining search engines from add-ons ...which have nothing to do with the Open Web, mentioned in the parent reply. Both require participating in, and consequently adhering to the terms of, stores operated by third parties.
- aswan 7y ago
  > ..which have nothing to do with the Open Web, Which, in turn, has nothing to do with the origin article. Read it again, it is only about how search engines are defined inside add-ons.
  - dictum 7y ago
    Per the article, "Mozilla intends to deprecate OpenSearch and eventually remove it from Firefox".
mindcrime 7y ago
That seems like a very narrow and reductionist view. Sure you still can create search plugins for both FF and Chrome. But that isn't the (entire) point. OpenSearch is a well-known, proven, battle-tested open standard... exactly the kind of thing we need the Open Web to be built around. And doing anything that impedes whatever momentum OpenSearch has, seems like a loss to me in a very general sense. I lump this in with the kinds of decisions like removing RSS support from browsers, browsers (hello Chrome) not supporting MathML[1], and a zillion other "death by a thousand cuts" things that impede the Open Web. [1]: Yes, I know that there is an initiative underway to re-add MathML support to Chrome. I'll remain somewhat skeptical until it is actually shipping and works.
tannhaeuser 7y ago
No what Moz does is platform building, and it's strictly worse than the Open Web we used to have.

by aswan 7y ago

Macha 7y ago

There are two separate gatekeepers in AMO and the CWS. On the other hand, OpenSearch is used for the "Add search for this field" option which just needs some metadata defined on the web page. If they were just removing OpenSearch in xpi on AMO, that'd be fine, but the post says they intend to remove OpenSearch as a whole.

dictum 7y ago

> Both Firefox and Chrome support a common format for defining search engines from add-ons ...which have nothing to do with the Open Web, mentioned in the parent reply. Both require participating in, and consequently adhering to the terms of, stores operated by third parties.

aswan 7y ago
> ..which have nothing to do with the Open Web, Which, in turn, has nothing to do with the origin article. Read it again, it is only about how search engines are defined inside add-ons.
- dictum 7y ago
  Per the article, "Mozilla intends to deprecate OpenSearch and eventually remove it from Firefox".

mindcrime 7y ago

That seems like a very narrow and reductionist view. Sure you still can create search plugins for both FF and Chrome. But that isn't the (entire) point. OpenSearch is a well-known, proven, battle-tested open standard... exactly the kind of thing we need the Open Web to be built around. And doing anything that impedes whatever momentum OpenSearch has, seems like a loss to me in a very general sense. I lump this in with the kinds of decisions like removing RSS support from browsers, browsers (hello Chrome) not supporting MathML[1], and a zillion other "death by a thousand cuts" things that impede the Open Web. [1]: Yes, I know that there is an initiative underway to re-add MathML support to Chrome. I'll remain somewhat skeptical until it is actually shipping and works.

tannhaeuser 7y ago

No what Moz does is platform building, and it's strictly worse than the Open Web we used to have.