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History matters. Where can anyone draw the line?
by eigenloss 7y ago
History matters. Where can anyone draw the line?
- Smithalicious 7y agoI won't comment on where exactly the line is, but this is on the level of me getting angry over someone practicing horse archery because of the Mongol invasion.
- z3phyr 7y agoHorse Archery was a common martial technique which predicates the mongols (Its way ancient), and during the mongol period it was practiced by a lot of civs, both allies and enemies of the mongols. But yes, a lot of people still hold a grudge against the Mongols in Asia and Europe
- jacquesm 7y agoWe draw the line at personal involvement. If not for that no German would walk the streets abroad safe in Europe.
- Huycfhct 7y agoWW2 isn't a good example. A Nazi flag would be horribly offensive for a holocaust survivor. Or a Japanese rising sun flag in Nanjing
- dkersten 7y agoBeing a holocaust survivor would imply personal involvement.
- smueller1234 7y agoThat's right. Germans abroad such as myself do appreciate that a lot. :) It feels like once again some Unix philosophy could be applied for the better: be strict in what you emit (ie. be kind and consider how your behavior reflects on you, but also be cognizant of your or your culture's history), but lenient in what you accept (ie. do not take offense easily/unnecessarily).
- bboreham 7y agoI believe this is a TCP principle not a Unix principle. Aka Postel’s law.
- smueller1234 7y agoIndeed, thank you, won't mix that up again!
- gentaro 7y agoThis is a ridiculous comparison. A proper analogy would be someone with a swastika symbol on their shirt talking to a Jewish person. I think we can all agree that wouldn't go well.
- extropy 7y agoThe time scale is way off - 400 vs 70 years. The sword and eye of Inquisition might be a better match.
- zaat 7y agoSurely by now very few feels any sensitivity regarding Rome's Aquila.
- jacquesm 7y agoYou have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Old people here (80 and up) still loathe the Germans and for what was done during the war. Their personal involvement is what make it impossible for them to move on. But as one of their children I have absolutely no grudge against Germans, old or young, simply because I wasn't personally involved. Jewish people come in all shapes and sizes, and I know quite a few of them. The bulk are very well educated and are able to see history and their own part in it quite clearly. They are definitely not going to like some one with a swastika symbol on their shirt but the chances of that happening here in Europe are relatively slim because there would be a lot of other people - non Jews too - who would take offense. That's nothing to do with personal involvement but with recognizing that those that wish to engender a second round of Nazism in Europe need to be dealt with before they become a problem.
- ummwhat 7y agoAt the point where all the people involved are dead because the world belongs to the living. About 100 years is enough.
- lupire 7y agoThe descendants are involved. The deaths of ancestors has an effect on the descendants. Also, gauge theory suggests that someone who thinks assassination was cool in 1600 would also think that assassination is cool in 2000.
- z3phyr 7y agoTheir death directly lead to the other events which lead to other events. You can always blame the fate if death was natural, but if some other party was involved, that party directly played god with their actions and ruined someone else's life trajectory and thus their descendants life trajectory. And now you find out that the descendants of the murderers are proud of their heritage and hero worship at the expanse of you.
- eigenloss 7y agoTurkey is doing almost the exact same atrocities today under Erdogan that they did in the 1920s under Ataturk.