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Western companies have been bending blatantly a little too low to save assets and market shares in China. With trade war, human rights abuse in Xinjiang, and Ho

Western companies have been bending blatantly a little too low to save assets and market shares in China. With trade war, human rights abuse in Xinjiang, and Hong Kong protest, this is probably a good chance for the West to stand against China's invasion.

ycombonator 7y ago
No politician for the past 50 years stood up to China until Trump faced them head on. Credit where it’s due.
- vermontdevil 7y ago
  He sure isn’t standing up for Hong Kong. Jeez.
  - vuln 7y ago
    What does standing up for Hong Kong mean to you. What could Trump do to help? Generally curious.
    - bluGill 7y ago
      Just recognizing HK and Taiwan as separate countries from China would be big.
      - jldugger 7y ago
        Recognizing HK as independent would be a huge step, and one even the UK didn't take.
        aianus 7y ago
        The UK wanted to give HK free elections and China threatened to invade if they did. https://www.scmp.com/article/48108/thatcher-reveals-dengs-threat-seize-hong-kong-day https://www.scmp.com/article/48108/thatcher-reveals-dengs-th...
      - vkou 7y ago
        Hong Kong is currently about as much a separate country from China as Puerto Rico is a separate country from the US. Taiwan is another thing.
      - maximente 7y ago
        the HK protests aren't about creating a separate sovereign country, it was largely about an extradition bill and has now grown somewhat to include ousting the current "chief executive" among other things.
    - jcranmer 7y ago
      Extend an official visit to one of the protest leaders.
- camdenlock 7y ago
  Yeah, it’s beyond sad to me that TRUMP is the guy who just happens to be standing up to the authoritarian threat of China. Why can’t we get a proper leader to do the same? Are any of the Democratic Party nominees making good noises about China?
  - my_username_is_ 7y ago
    Warren wrote this editorial last week: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/it-is-time-for-the-united-states-to-stand-up-to-china-in-hong-kong/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/it-is-time-for-the-unit... Generally this isn't a very partisan debate. Most people who support Hong Kong do so in the name of democracy or self-determination. Most of China's supporters are acting in their economic self interest or because of appeals to nationalism.
notlukesky 7y ago
It is not just a Chinese event though: https://www.cnet.com/news/cameron-considers-blocking-twitter-facebook-bbm-after-riots/ https://www.cnet.com/news/cameron-considers-blocking-twitter... http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/08/11/london.riots.social.media/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/08/11/london.r... https://www.smh.com.au/technology/london-riot-social-media-blocks-totalitarian-20110812-1iq0o.html https://www.smh.com.au/technology/london-riot-social-media-b...
- jerf 7y ago
  The Internet has finally brought the world together, and people are now at scale discovering that people in other parts of the world really are different, beyond just what clothes they wear and what food they eat. That's proving to be a shock to nearly everybody. It was always something you could ignore in the past.
- awinder 7y ago
  Classic whataboutism. Your 1 event is nowhere near equitable to what is going on in China, but even if it was, so what, now the world must endure unlimited pain, because 1 time 1 person tried to? It's a dumb argument, as are all Whataboutism arguments, time to pick at least a different logical fallacy.

ycombonator 7y ago

No politician for the past 50 years stood up to China until Trump faced them head on. Credit where it’s due.

vermontdevil 7y ago
He sure isn’t standing up for Hong Kong. Jeez.
- vuln 7y ago
  What does standing up for Hong Kong mean to you. What could Trump do to help? Generally curious.
  - bluGill 7y ago
    Just recognizing HK and Taiwan as separate countries from China would be big.
    - jldugger 7y ago
      Recognizing HK as independent would be a huge step, and one even the UK didn't take.
      - aianus 7y ago
        The UK wanted to give HK free elections and China threatened to invade if they did. https://www.scmp.com/article/48108/thatcher-reveals-dengs-threat-seize-hong-kong-day https://www.scmp.com/article/48108/thatcher-reveals-dengs-th...
    - vkou 7y ago
      Hong Kong is currently about as much a separate country from China as Puerto Rico is a separate country from the US. Taiwan is another thing.
    - maximente 7y ago
      the HK protests aren't about creating a separate sovereign country, it was largely about an extradition bill and has now grown somewhat to include ousting the current "chief executive" among other things.
  - jcranmer 7y ago
    Extend an official visit to one of the protest leaders.
camdenlock 7y ago
Yeah, it’s beyond sad to me that TRUMP is the guy who just happens to be standing up to the authoritarian threat of China. Why can’t we get a proper leader to do the same? Are any of the Democratic Party nominees making good noises about China?
- my_username_is_ 7y ago
  Warren wrote this editorial last week: https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/it-is-time-for-the-united-states-to-stand-up-to-china-in-hong-kong/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/it-is-time-for-the-unit... Generally this isn't a very partisan debate. Most people who support Hong Kong do so in the name of democracy or self-determination. Most of China's supporters are acting in their economic self interest or because of appeals to nationalism.

notlukesky 7y ago

It is not just a Chinese event though: https://www.cnet.com/news/cameron-considers-blocking-twitter-facebook-bbm-after-riots/ https://www.cnet.com/news/cameron-considers-blocking-twitter... http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/08/11/london.riots.social.media/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/social.media/08/11/london.r... https://www.smh.com.au/technology/london-riot-social-media-blocks-totalitarian-20110812-1iq0o.html https://www.smh.com.au/technology/london-riot-social-media-b...

jerf 7y ago
The Internet has finally brought the world together, and people are now at scale discovering that people in other parts of the world really are different, beyond just what clothes they wear and what food they eat. That's proving to be a shock to nearly everybody. It was always something you could ignore in the past.
awinder 7y ago
Classic whataboutism. Your 1 event is nowhere near equitable to what is going on in China, but even if it was, so what, now the world must endure unlimited pain, because 1 time 1 person tried to? It's a dumb argument, as are all Whataboutism arguments, time to pick at least a different logical fallacy.