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US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up. Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was (

US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up. Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_venture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent... ) . These moves are there to slow it down. But China can make other moves like moving tech knowledge from one company to others and play all sorts of games. Fact is knowledge despite what Americans want the world to believe, replicates and distributes powers in ways which are very difficult to stop. If China is not building it, they will move the knowledge to some ally which can build it. It's almost guaranteed at this point that we are already living in a bifurcated world where US will need to manufacture everything in other countries than China. And yet China's manufacturing edge is not going anywhere. They can clone any US product anyone else is producing and sell it to their trading bloc.

wideasleep1 7y ago
"US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up." So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. "Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.... ) " All I see here is an agreement for AMD to transfer technology to China, for x86 chips destined for chinese-only server market. Further, that agreement appears stalled, since AMD will NOT transfer their Zen2 technologies in this agreement. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-license,39573.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-licen... "And yet China's manufacturing edge is not going anywhere. They can clone any US product anyone else is producing and sell it to their trading bloc." More like their manufacturing may not be going anywhere...their market has been shrinking by leaps and bounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvement_in_5G_wireless_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvem... They can have Iran, AFAIC.
- primordialsoup 7y ago
  > So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. Do you have sources from non-"mainstream media" that indicate otherwise?
  - wideasleep1 7y ago
    Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leadership-china-fcc-lte https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade... I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.
    - thawaway1837 7y ago
      I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.
      - devoply 7y ago
        Yeah it's a national security concern because if someone is leading so heavily they will destroy your lead and then you will never catch up. Just look at what happened to so many European tech companies.
      - Teever 7y ago
        Is that the case or is it that the Chinese government is subsidizing the 5g products that Huawei makes so that western countries will purchasing them?
- greatpatton 7y ago
  I don't know but from a science point of view all our last research are based on paper coming from people at China companies (Alibaba, Tencent), that currently have the edge in our specific domain (machine learning). So yes in domains that mainly require your brain they have caught up if not ahead.
NicoJuicy 7y ago
China did not help AMD. AMD partnered with a Chinese partner and produced /knowledge transfered an older chipstack. Ps. Everyone can manufacture, so not sure what your mean with edge. There are a lot centralized/easy to be found in China, that's true.
ReptileMan 7y ago
>US was already shown to be behind in 5g Since 5g is technology with not much utility that nobody but the telcos want, that is probably wise on their part.

wideasleep1 7y ago

"US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up." So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. "Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.... ) " All I see here is an agreement for AMD to transfer technology to China, for x86 chips destined for chinese-only server market. Further, that agreement appears stalled, since AMD will NOT transfer their Zen2 technologies in this agreement. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-license,39573.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-licen... "And yet China's manufacturing edge is not going anywhere. They can clone any US product anyone else is producing and sell it to their trading bloc." More like their manufacturing may not be going anywhere...their market has been shrinking by leaps and bounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvement_in_5G_wireless_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvem... They can have Iran, AFAIC.

primordialsoup 7y ago
> So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. Do you have sources from non-"mainstream media" that indicate otherwise?
- wideasleep1 7y ago
  Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leadership-china-fcc-lte https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade... I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.
    - devoply 7y ago
      Yeah it's a national security concern because if someone is leading so heavily they will destroy your lead and then you will never catch up. Just look at what happened to so many European tech companies.
    - Teever 7y ago
      Is that the case or is it that the Chinese government is subsidizing the 5g products that Huawei makes so that western countries will purchasing them?
greatpatton 7y ago
I don't know but from a science point of view all our last research are based on paper coming from people at China companies (Alibaba, Tencent), that currently have the edge in our specific domain (machine learning). So yes in domains that mainly require your brain they have caught up if not ahead.

NicoJuicy 7y ago

China did not help AMD. AMD partnered with a Chinese partner and produced /knowledge transfered an older chipstack. Ps. Everyone can manufacture, so not sure what your mean with edge. There are a lot centralized/easy to be found in China, that's true.

ReptileMan 7y ago

>US was already shown to be behind in 5g Since 5g is technology with not much utility that nobody but the telcos want, that is probably wise on their part.