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Not all costs are monetary. The long term ramifications of our businesses cow-towing to mass-murdering authoritarians is far greater than potential profits.
by 5trokerac3 7y ago
Not all costs are monetary. The long term ramifications of our businesses cow-towing to mass-murdering authoritarians is far greater than potential profits.
- behringer 7y agoI can't tell if you're talking about china or america.
- SimbaOnSteroids 7y agoHe's talking about China, don't be obtuse, America, while being horrendous abroad, is no where near as bad as China would be in Americas position if the treatment of their own subjects is any indication.
- madiathomas 7y agoIn what world is US better than China? China doesn't travel to other countries and directly kill millions of civilians like the United States. This website is so shitty when coming to defending the United States. I don't know why I continue to waste my time reading shitty pro-US propaganda on this website.
- 5trokerac3 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Consequences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Consequence... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System#Implications_for_citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System#Implicati... https://www.businessinsider.com/china-xinjiang-prisoners-blindfolded-tied-up-leaked-drone-footage-2019-10?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/china-xinjiang-prisoners-bli... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/chinas-re-education-through-labor-system-the-view-from-within/272913/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/ch...
- justaduderr 7y agoOK, are you going to post about the many US atrocities as well? Slavery, extermination of the indigenous population, redlining, Jim Crow, exploitation of illegal immigrant labor, etc. Keep in mind this isn't even counting what the USA does abroad. China is bad, but USA is bad too. Make no mistake.
- 5trokerac3 7y agoEverything from that list is from within the last 60 years. While China was murdering between 60 to 100 million of its citizens, America passed the Civil Rights Act.
- justaduderr 7y agoI don't have too much time to educate you on these things but just to note: Re: "60 to 100 million of its citizens" is just straight up wrong. There was a Great Famine in China* - Mao did not murder up to 100 million citizens. Are you serious? Your own source says as much. Re: Social Credit System (SCS) - By pretty much every metric the SCS has not resulted in massive discrimination on the scale of racism and sexism in the United States. However this may change. But for now this is not really relevant in terms of making a comparison. Funny enough I don't really like China that much (or any large country) for a variety of reasons, but your reasoning is both absurd and factually incorrect. It's literally propaganda. Please educate yourself before making outlandish claims. China murdered 60 to 100 million of its citizens? Jeez - the American education system is an embarrassment. * Though the famine should not and cannot be compared to murder, anyone who has read the literature probably knows that Mao's overzealous policies during the period probably increased the death toll, but even so that cannot be said to be "murder". Saying such is propaganda and more importantly, wrong. --- Also, to say American passed the Civil Rights Act without mentioning the Civil War is silly. The Civil War killed about 2% of the USA population. So if America was the size of China (which it wasn't), that would be like 12 million people dying, approximately half of the population generally accepted to have died during the 1960 in China (during the Great Famine). I won't bother comparing Xinjiang to Guantanamo Bay...
- Scramblejams 7y agoAny sense of proportion is often the first thing thrown out the window in nationalist debates, unfortunately.
- smogcutter 7y agoAppropriately enough, the term you’re looking for is kowtowing (not towing cows), a Chinese term for a deep bow of respect.
- purple_ducks 7y agoYou understand the phrase though right? There was no ambivalence on his meaning or usage. > Appropriately enough Ironically enough, you're misusing this phrase.
- Invictus0 7y agoGive me a break, this guy literally just wrote out "cow-towing"
- thaumasiotes 7y ago> a Chinese term for a deep bow of respect Not so much a "deep bow" as "prostration on the ground".
- yorwba 7y agoLiterally, hitting (叩/kòu) one's head (头/tóu).
- 5trokerac3 7y agoI used a c and it got autocorrected to that
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- dang 7y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into flamewar. You seem to have been doing that a lot, and it's not cool here. Please review the site guidelines and note: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21194189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21194189 and marked it off-topic.
- wcr3 7y agothe fuck are you talking about?
- throwaway2048 7y agoIts important to be civil, and not point out the fact that the CCP have murdered millions of people. That would definitely be an uncivil flamewar comment.
- dang 7y agoNo, it's important to be kind and thoughtful, avoid calling names, post substantively, and do the other things that site guidelines ask. They aren't hard to understand: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Denunciatory, flamey rhetoric obviously doesn't meet those criteria.