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There are people committing suicide, being harassed and not being accepted as they are so using wrong gender is pretty fucked up thing to do especially because

There are people committing suicide, being harassed and not being accepted as they are so using wrong gender is pretty fucked up thing to do especially because it is so easy to do right.

Nextgrid 7y ago
> being harassed and not being accepted as they are Could you elaborate? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If it looks like a male, dresses like a male, then it's most likely a male and I'm gonna call him "he" because that's the logical thing to do. I don't think it's wrong nor there is any malicious intent for people to use these basic heuristics when determining gender considering they are going to be right 99% of the time, and it would be a big downgrade in productivity if we start wasting time debating whether someone is a he or a she while these heuristics worked for centuries and still work 99% of the time. Otherwise, where do we draw the line? It's male and female today, how long is it going to be before someone shows up and decides that none of those apply to him and he wants to be accepted as a solar panel - should everyone accept, embrace & encourage his twisted view of reality?
vunie 7y ago
This may be insensitive (and I apologize if it is) but if being referenced by normal pronouns is enough to drive someone to commit suicide (or cause emotional distress), I'd argue that this person is in more need of medical treatment than having his or her quirks pandered to by others. Using a language normally doesn't cause problems for healthy human beings.
- detaro 7y ago
  "normal pronouns"?
  - vunie 7y ago
    > "normal pronouns"? What english language speakers normally use when refering to a person, usually based on the perceived gender of said person.
michannne 7y ago
> it is so easy to do right Using the wrong gender is enough to cause someone to commit suicide? So instead of getting to the bottom of the issue as to why calling someone "him" instead of "her" is enough for them to take their own life, and then putting up the safety nets so that this does not happen (which CAN be done - type any vaguely suicidal query into Google and you can see suicide hotlines and help center phone numbers and locations at the top of the page), it is more effective to pressure others into using the "correct" pronoun? It is hard enough to get people to talk strictly about work, at work, but somehow it's easier to convince people to change their entire thought process so that they use the terms you deemed acceptable?

There are people committing suicide, being harassed and not being accepted as they are so using wrong gender is pretty fucked up thing to do especially because it is so easy to do right.

Nextgrid 7y ago

> being harassed and not being accepted as they are Could you elaborate? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If it looks like a male, dresses like a male, then it's most likely a male and I'm gonna call him "he" because that's the logical thing to do. I don't think it's wrong nor there is any malicious intent for people to use these basic heuristics when determining gender considering they are going to be right 99% of the time, and it would be a big downgrade in productivity if we start wasting time debating whether someone is a he or a she while these heuristics worked for centuries and still work 99% of the time. Otherwise, where do we draw the line? It's male and female today, how long is it going to be before someone shows up and decides that none of those apply to him and he wants to be accepted as a solar panel - should everyone accept, embrace & encourage his twisted view of reality?

vunie 7y ago

This may be insensitive (and I apologize if it is) but if being referenced by normal pronouns is enough to drive someone to commit suicide (or cause emotional distress), I'd argue that this person is in more need of medical treatment than having his or her quirks pandered to by others. Using a language normally doesn't cause problems for healthy human beings.

detaro 7y ago
"normal pronouns"?
- vunie 7y ago
  > "normal pronouns"? What english language speakers normally use when refering to a person, usually based on the perceived gender of said person.

michannne 7y ago

> it is so easy to do right Using the wrong gender is enough to cause someone to commit suicide? So instead of getting to the bottom of the issue as to why calling someone "him" instead of "her" is enough for them to take their own life, and then putting up the safety nets so that this does not happen (which CAN be done - type any vaguely suicidal query into Google and you can see suicide hotlines and help center phone numbers and locations at the top of the page), it is more effective to pressure others into using the "correct" pronoun? It is hard enough to get people to talk strictly about work, at work, but somehow it's easier to convince people to change their entire thought process so that they use the terms you deemed acceptable?