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I agree. And since I both care about minorities and don't care to deeply interrogate people's medical histories, I'm ok with calling people whatever the heck th

I agree. And since I both care about minorities and don't care to deeply interrogate people's medical histories, I'm ok with calling people whatever the heck they want to be called. No skin off my elbows. It'd be pretty silly if we thought the arguably more objective sex characteristics of a person were not binary but thought that their gender had to be binary, wouldn't it?

brigandish 7y ago
> And since I both care about minorities To imply that those who don't wish to act the way you wish them to don't care about minorities is invidious and not supported by any evidence I've seen. > I'm ok with calling people whatever the heck they want to be called. As are most people until they are compelled. > It'd be pretty silly if we thought the arguably more objective sex characteristics of a person were not binary but thought that their gender had to be binary, wouldn't it? Would it? If, as some do, we posit that there can be an infinite number of genders or even a large number like… 42, are there 42 different categories of sex? If not, and I don't believe there are, then it's possible for multiple sexes to fit into a gender category and multiple genders into a sex category. You could probably fit all 42 into male and female and cut out a lot absurdities. I'd go for 3, male, female and 3rd sex. Come up with a better name if you like.
- tomlock 7y ago
  > To imply that those who don't wish to act the way you wish them to don't care about minorities is invidious and not supported by any evidence I've seen. It is if how I wish them to act is to care about minorities, like for instance the population that is not a part of, in your words, the population that's "overwhelmingly binary" - aka a minority, by definition. > As are most people until they are compelled. So you're ok with calling people what they want to be called. Nice! > You could probably fit all 42 into male and female and cut out a lot absurdities. Why do you, of all the people in the world, get to decide what is and isn't absurd? Is there a particular scientific method you're using to define absurdity? > I'd go for 3, male, female and 3rd sex. Come up with a better name if you like. I'd suggest if you need a better name for people that are neither male nor female you educate yourself. Lumping people into "other" isn't particularly useful for those people or even descriptive.
  - brigandish 7y ago
    > Why do you, of all the people in the world, get to decide what is and isn't absurd? I get to decide what I think is absurd, because: a) I'm free. b) I would still value my opinion as good enough for me even if I wasn't. To think otherwise would be absurd, and the irony of being told this by one who wishes to impose their view upon others else they be othered is, at the very least, amusing. > It is if how I wish them to act is to care about minorities You're running around in circles now and thus, there is little point in continuing.
    - tomlock 7y ago
      Ahhhh awesome, so when you were talking about your perspective on the interplay of sex and gender you weren't implying that there was anything inherently, objectively absurd about there being 42 sexes, you were just implying you felt that was absurd for some... personal reason? By the way, there's probably way more than 42 since so many things play into sex characteristics, and some of the measures are continuous rather than discrete. > You're running around in circles now and thus, there is little point in continuing. By saying there existed an "overwhelmingly binary" sex spectrum, you implied the existence of a minority, so I'm simply saying to give those people the respect they deserve. That's how I "wish them to act" so it absolutely follows, based on your words, that someone who doesn't "wish to act the way you wish them to" doesn't want to respect those minorities. Easy logical reasoning to follow.
      - brigandish 7y ago
        No one is arguing for disrespect of anyone so there's not much else to say about your argument, other than you might try showing more respect to those you disagree with in future.
        tomlock 7y ago
        You think you aren't, but you are when you say the categories of "male, female and 3rd sex" are appropriate for simplifying the "absurdities". You should show people who fit in your "absurd" minority sexual categories with more respect in future.

brigandish 7y ago

> And since I both care about minorities To imply that those who don't wish to act the way you wish them to don't care about minorities is invidious and not supported by any evidence I've seen. > I'm ok with calling people whatever the heck they want to be called. As are most people until they are compelled. > It'd be pretty silly if we thought the arguably more objective sex characteristics of a person were not binary but thought that their gender had to be binary, wouldn't it? Would it? If, as some do, we posit that there can be an infinite number of genders or even a large number like… 42, are there 42 different categories of sex? If not, and I don't believe there are, then it's possible for multiple sexes to fit into a gender category and multiple genders into a sex category. You could probably fit all 42 into male and female and cut out a lot absurdities. I'd go for 3, male, female and 3rd sex. Come up with a better name if you like.

tomlock 7y ago
> To imply that those who don't wish to act the way you wish them to don't care about minorities is invidious and not supported by any evidence I've seen. It is if how I wish them to act is to care about minorities, like for instance the population that is not a part of, in your words, the population that's "overwhelmingly binary" - aka a minority, by definition. > As are most people until they are compelled. So you're ok with calling people what they want to be called. Nice! > You could probably fit all 42 into male and female and cut out a lot absurdities. Why do you, of all the people in the world, get to decide what is and isn't absurd? Is there a particular scientific method you're using to define absurdity? > I'd go for 3, male, female and 3rd sex. Come up with a better name if you like. I'd suggest if you need a better name for people that are neither male nor female you educate yourself. Lumping people into "other" isn't particularly useful for those people or even descriptive.
- brigandish 7y ago
  > Why do you, of all the people in the world, get to decide what is and isn't absurd? I get to decide what I think is absurd, because: a) I'm free. b) I would still value my opinion as good enough for me even if I wasn't. To think otherwise would be absurd, and the irony of being told this by one who wishes to impose their view upon others else they be othered is, at the very least, amusing. > It is if how I wish them to act is to care about minorities You're running around in circles now and thus, there is little point in continuing.
  - tomlock 7y ago
    Ahhhh awesome, so when you were talking about your perspective on the interplay of sex and gender you weren't implying that there was anything inherently, objectively absurd about there being 42 sexes, you were just implying you felt that was absurd for some... personal reason? By the way, there's probably way more than 42 since so many things play into sex characteristics, and some of the measures are continuous rather than discrete. > You're running around in circles now and thus, there is little point in continuing. By saying there existed an "overwhelmingly binary" sex spectrum, you implied the existence of a minority, so I'm simply saying to give those people the respect they deserve. That's how I "wish them to act" so it absolutely follows, based on your words, that someone who doesn't "wish to act the way you wish them to" doesn't want to respect those minorities. Easy logical reasoning to follow.
    - brigandish 7y ago
      No one is arguing for disrespect of anyone so there's not much else to say about your argument, other than you might try showing more respect to those you disagree with in future.
      - tomlock 7y ago
        You think you aren't, but you are when you say the categories of "male, female and 3rd sex" are appropriate for simplifying the "absurdities". You should show people who fit in your "absurd" minority sexual categories with more respect in future.