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Looks like a company finally listened.

29_29 7y ago
no NVIDIA cards its useless to me
_ph_ 7y ago
Very little. Yes, they finally made a Mac Pro that is extensible and up to date. Basically everything the 2008 Mac Pro already was. On the downside, they doubled its price so for the non-Hollywood customer, there still isn't a desktop machine. Even 3k is much for a deskop machine, but I had set some money aside to get a Mac Pro, if it had started around its predecessor price. There was even a time in the past, when a Mac Pro would start below 2k and consequently was very popular.
- rangibaby 7y ago
  > on the downside, they doubled its price so for the non-Hollywood customer, there still isn't a desktop machine. Even 3k is much for a deskop machine I think there were more benefits to an ordinary user to getting a tower in the past then there are now. In the past even a hobby or prosumer photographer would see a big benefit from getting a Mac Pro. Nowadays an iMac or Macbook Pro with very normal specs can edit large RAW files without breaking a sweat. The extra HDD bays on a Mac Pro were great because you didn't have to mess around with USB2 (cheap but slow) or FW (fast but expensive). Now you have USB3 (cheap and fast) or TB (very fast but expensive). I guess that leaves upgradeable graphics cards, at this point it is easier to just get a PC or try a hackintosh build if you want a beast GPU for the latest games. > There was even a time in the past, when a Mac Pro would start below 2k and consequently was very popular. 2006: Mac Pro base model: $2,199 ($2,800 in 2019 dollars) 30" Cinema Display: $3,299 ($4,198) Soundsticks (Of course!) $169.99 2019: iMac 27" 5K base model: $1,799 iMac Pro base model: $4,999
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    Internal storage is a huge thing. I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) and completely beats the purpose of an elegant desktop machine. So I really would like a machine with several drive spaces, especially if I can access them. I could have lived reasonably by upgrading the internal storage of my iMac, if there was any way for me to access it. Graphics cards is another thing, but also the plain ability to clean fans when they start to clog up. The limitations of the iMac are amplified by Apple making the interior inaccessible. Finally, while the screen of the iMac is great, I would like to have a larger screen. So there are plenty of reasons still to have a bit more than the iMac can deliver.
    - acdha 7y ago
      > I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) Check your cabling or hardware — this is not normal except when something is starting to fail.
      - _ph_ 7y ago
        The hardware is brand new and the cabling properly secured. I had this with USB disks too.
        acdha 7y ago
        Maybe check your power supply? I've supported Macs for a couple of decades and normally people have storage mounted for years without this kind of thing happening in the absence of some sort of hardware or environmental problem.
        _ph_ 7y ago
        I wouldn't know what to check my power supply for and how I would go forward with that in an iMac. And this phenomenum isn't limited to the iMac, my Mac Mini had the same problem. Across different disks and interfaces. The disconnects are not constant, but an irregular thing. A colleague occasionally has the same problem, he even managed to get a local disk image unmounted when waking from sleep. So it might just be a MacOS problem. With Thunderbolt3, there are more solutions for external storage, but still I find it odd consindering the price, that you don't get a desktop Mac where you can plug in some NVM SSDs or you get at least a few 2.5 inch bays.

no NVIDIA cards its useless to me

_ph_ 7y ago

Very little. Yes, they finally made a Mac Pro that is extensible and up to date. Basically everything the 2008 Mac Pro already was. On the downside, they doubled its price so for the non-Hollywood customer, there still isn't a desktop machine. Even 3k is much for a deskop machine, but I had set some money aside to get a Mac Pro, if it had started around its predecessor price. There was even a time in the past, when a Mac Pro would start below 2k and consequently was very popular.

rangibaby 7y ago
> on the downside, they doubled its price so for the non-Hollywood customer, there still isn't a desktop machine. Even 3k is much for a deskop machine I think there were more benefits to an ordinary user to getting a tower in the past then there are now. In the past even a hobby or prosumer photographer would see a big benefit from getting a Mac Pro. Nowadays an iMac or Macbook Pro with very normal specs can edit large RAW files without breaking a sweat. The extra HDD bays on a Mac Pro were great because you didn't have to mess around with USB2 (cheap but slow) or FW (fast but expensive). Now you have USB3 (cheap and fast) or TB (very fast but expensive). I guess that leaves upgradeable graphics cards, at this point it is easier to just get a PC or try a hackintosh build if you want a beast GPU for the latest games. > There was even a time in the past, when a Mac Pro would start below 2k and consequently was very popular. 2006: Mac Pro base model: $2,199 ($2,800 in 2019 dollars) 30" Cinema Display: $3,299 ($4,198) Soundsticks (Of course!) $169.99 2019: iMac 27" 5K base model: $1,799 iMac Pro base model: $4,999
- _ph_ 7y ago
  Internal storage is a huge thing. I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) and completely beats the purpose of an elegant desktop machine. So I really would like a machine with several drive spaces, especially if I can access them. I could have lived reasonably by upgrading the internal storage of my iMac, if there was any way for me to access it. Graphics cards is another thing, but also the plain ability to clean fans when they start to clog up. The limitations of the iMac are amplified by Apple making the interior inaccessible. Finally, while the screen of the iMac is great, I would like to have a larger screen. So there are plenty of reasons still to have a bit more than the iMac can deliver.
  - acdha 7y ago
    > I have external storage attached to my 27" iMac, but it is not completely reliable (disks get ejected occasionally) Check your cabling or hardware — this is not normal except when something is starting to fail.
    - _ph_ 7y ago
      The hardware is brand new and the cabling properly secured. I had this with USB disks too.
      - acdha 7y ago
        Maybe check your power supply? I've supported Macs for a couple of decades and normally people have storage mounted for years without this kind of thing happening in the absence of some sort of hardware or environmental problem.
        _ph_ 7y ago
        I wouldn't know what to check my power supply for and how I would go forward with that in an iMac. And this phenomenum isn't limited to the iMac, my Mac Mini had the same problem. Across different disks and interfaces. The disconnects are not constant, but an irregular thing. A colleague occasionally has the same problem, he even managed to get a local disk image unmounted when waking from sleep. So it might just be a MacOS problem. With Thunderbolt3, there are more solutions for external storage, but still I find it odd consindering the price, that you don't get a desktop Mac where you can plug in some NVM SSDs or you get at least a few 2.5 inch bays.