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Joe Rogan is fantastically meat headed about so many things, but really he's a jack of all trades, master of none, and he majors in cardio kickboxing. The thin
by blow-jogan 7y ago
Joe Rogan is fantastically meat headed about so many things, but really he's a jack of all trades, master of none, and he majors in cardio kickboxing.
The thing is, he often operates pretty engaging interviews, and the Murray Gell-Mann amnesia is in full effect for all of them. He's basically talk radio, and despite the subject matter, he refrains from sophomoric shock jock goofing off, unlike Howard Stern.
He is willing to meet most guests in the middle, and he's got the gift of gab, but infrequently waxing blow hard, with a few exceptions. Most notably: gender identity politics. But other than that, he's plays pretty fair with everyone across the political spectrum (he's had more than a few gay/lesbian gender bending guests on), even if head count favors hypermasculine tropes, and satellite ideologies.
But while having serious pop-science guests on the show, fringe UFO theories are bread and butter among pro-wrestling enthusiasts that enjoy the art of kayfabe. And if you think it's all in good fun, hey that's fine, but Joe Rogan certainly seems to eat up junk science all the time.
His recent show with Bob Lazar, discussing Area 51 was filled with "what-if" tales of anti-gravity and synthetic Element 115, which was futuristic when it emerged in the 1980's but hasn't withstood the test of time. He talks of cyclotrons shooting anti-matter at government synthetsized Moscovium fuel pellets to produce free energy and, then by turns, anti-gravity, concluding in time travel and teleportation. Joe just gobbles it up like a wide-eyed Joe The Plumber, and the rest of the bullshit artistry piles up. Now, faster than light travel across megaparsecs is an open, probable reality, and so too, alien races from Zeta Reticuli. The Grays are really androids. They're at war with The Reptilians, which is why an asteroid killed the dinosaurs. Riiiiight...
But it's all faces and heels in an MMA match, nothing more. Unless you're not in on the joke.
Most people don't grok particle physics enough to be dismissive of the premise of magical (or rather, unstable) element 115. They don't get that it's just another blob of the usual nucleons that we're all so familiar with, no free gravity, no free lunch. That lights in the sky do not, a spaceship, make. Oh well...
- somatic 7y agoThere’s no question that Rogan’s style is to make every interview as “warm” as possible, rarely challenging any guest on any extraordinary claim. There’s also an argument to be made about his “platforming” of arguable kooks and so on, though it’s clearly preferable to entertain unconventional ideas than to dismiss them out of hand, the cumulative payoff of an unconventional idea being so very great. Flying saucers are always good entertainment, though not good enough to paper over the fact that half of that Bob Lazar “documentary” was footage of a tattooed guy shouting into his smartphone for the benefit of like three different GoPros. The open secret of physics is that nobody really knows WTF is going on. Particle theory is obviously a rough approximation, and string theory and quantum theory have been effectively stalled for long enough that it’s increasingly apparent that the complexity of the Universe has more moving parts than the working memory of the human brain. Humility is called for. “We know” ... yeah, okay.
- slow-brogan 7y agoNo, the open secret of high energy particle physics is that certain facts cannot be disclosed to the public, for fear of unchecked nuclear proliferation. Most of the smoke and mirrors is for want of preventing an excess of capable practitioners, so that motivated political entities are denied crucial information that might enable their ability to bargain with nuclear tipped devices. But the obvious flaw in the Joe Rogan UFO nonsense is the hypothesis of unlimited energy produced by UFO technology. The theory is that bombarding mysterious compounds with particle beams can generate nigh limitless energy. That special magic elements result in unbalanced equations where you get more out than you put in. The Blink 182 singer, Tom DeLonge, claimed during his Joe Rogan interview that his new company is developing technologies capable of harnessing magical anti-gravity drives just like those described by Bob Lazar's UFO legend lore. The thing is, they might have some credibility if they could simply speak in terms of the fundamentals of fission and fusion, but they never do. If they could frame their theories within the bounds of readily understood atomic principles, like converting the standing potential energy of strong nuclear forces into kinetic energy and photons, they might not sound like kooks. Bob Lazar is smart enough to know better, but Tom DeLonge not so much, it seems. Bob Lazar sticks to a script of what he read and what he saw, and relies on principles of military compartmentalization to add mystique to his tale. He knows enough to steer clear of hard science, because it would get him into the weeds with hot waste isotopes that burst the fantasy bubble. Bob Lazar leaves some breathing room to suspend disbelief by floating the premise that the documentation he was exposed to might have intentionally introduced absurdities as a means of obfuscation, and to spike the beverage with loaded secret keywords that might reveal leaks to counterintelligence. So we say "okay, Lazar's data might be poisoned" and then cognitively cherry pick what enthralls us. Maybe it wasn't "unobtainium" or "ununpentium" but some other dangerous heavy element (plutonium) that he'd have refused to work with or even get close to. Maybe it wasn't "space aliens" and that little tidbit was simply a conceit of the compartmentalization. Area 51 was real, so maybe as a civilian employee he lacked awareness beyond the scope of his project. It's not like nuclear reactions don't unleash huge quantities of energy, but there isn't much to differentiate UFO power supplies from the free energy that cold fusion promised, but failed to deliver. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion