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Just say that then? He was intentionally misleading or he was lying.

vidarh 7y ago
I don't see anything misleading in it either, given that I don't see why anyone would look at those kind of whistleblower protections and believe they are anything but a PR exercise. EDIT: Put another way: I'd believe those kind of whistle-blower protections are meaningful when we see these agencies admitting to past failures that have been brought up and taking proper responsibility and demonstrably taking steps to ensure better oversight. Until then, the safest assumption is that making use of any whistleblowing provisions they claim to have is at best ineffective, at worst dangerous.
- decoyworker 7y ago
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-whistleblower-program-has-record-breaking-year-1542413518 https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-whistleblower-program-has-r... https://federalnewsnetwork.com/federal-newscast/2018/12/pentagon-ig-seeing-success-with-new-way-of-handling-whistleblower-retaliation-complaints/ https://federalnewsnetwork.com/federal-newscast/2018/12/pent... These protections are used all the time- it just doesn't always make the news. >demonstrably taking steps to ensure better oversight. Like expanding the protections? We see a whistle-blower complaint right now in the news working pretty much as intended, with the whistle-blower's identity being protected.
  - frickinLasers 7y ago
    Yet, when the secrets being revealed are important enough, whistleblowers are met with unmasking, armed raids, and prosecution. Perhaps things really have changed in the NSA since Snowden, but given the NSA's record I doubt it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)#After_the_NSA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intellige...
  - frickinLasers 7y ago
    Also you are conflating the 2018 SEC and Pentagon with the 2013 NSA, which kind of kills your credibility.
  - vidarh 7y ago
    How are SEC whistleblower protections relevant to the NSA? As for the Pentagon, you'll note that part of what it covers is that the Pentagon Inspector General has struggled to substantiate allegations of retaliation in most cases, to the point where they ended up resorting to introduce a new system of mediation to resolve cases. Maybe that's because the allegations were bullshit, or maybe that's because the system is totally without teeth. In either case it does not illuminate the case of Snowden at all.

I don't see anything misleading in it either, given that I don't see why anyone would look at those kind of whistleblower protections and believe they are anything but a PR exercise. EDIT: Put another way: I'd believe those kind of whistle-blower protections are meaningful when we see these agencies admitting to past failures that have been brought up and taking proper responsibility and demonstrably taking steps to ensure better oversight. Until then, the safest assumption is that making use of any whistleblowing provisions they claim to have is at best ineffective, at worst dangerous.

decoyworker 7y ago
https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-whistleblower-program-has-record-breaking-year-1542413518 https://www.wsj.com/articles/sec-whistleblower-program-has-r... https://federalnewsnetwork.com/federal-newscast/2018/12/pentagon-ig-seeing-success-with-new-way-of-handling-whistleblower-retaliation-complaints/ https://federalnewsnetwork.com/federal-newscast/2018/12/pent... These protections are used all the time- it just doesn't always make the news. >demonstrably taking steps to ensure better oversight. Like expanding the protections? We see a whistle-blower complaint right now in the news working pretty much as intended, with the whistle-blower's identity being protected.
- frickinLasers 7y ago
  Yet, when the secrets being revealed are important enough, whistleblowers are met with unmasking, armed raids, and prosecution. Perhaps things really have changed in the NSA since Snowden, but given the NSA's record I doubt it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)#After_the_NSA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intellige...
- frickinLasers 7y ago
  Also you are conflating the 2018 SEC and Pentagon with the 2013 NSA, which kind of kills your credibility.
- vidarh 7y ago
  How are SEC whistleblower protections relevant to the NSA? As for the Pentagon, you'll note that part of what it covers is that the Pentagon Inspector General has struggled to substantiate allegations of retaliation in most cases, to the point where they ended up resorting to introduce a new system of mediation to resolve cases. Maybe that's because the allegations were bullshit, or maybe that's because the system is totally without teeth. In either case it does not illuminate the case of Snowden at all.