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So if IBM didn't suffer or (publicly) disclose huge losses, it doesn't matter that someone scammed them into hiring unqualified engineers?

smt88 7y ago
Why do you assume they were unqualified? We already know IBM failed to hire qualified black engineers because they were black. This may well have been cases of qualified people working around a corrupt system. The first black IBM engineer isn't going to want new black hires to be incompetent -- quite the opposite. He likely did his own screening.
- darawk 7y ago
  > Why do you assume they were unqualified? Because the point of being given the answers is to meet qualifications that you don't actually possess.
  - ivanhoe 7y ago
    Or to help you to outperform everyone by such a large margin that racist don't have an excuse not to hire you for being black?
  - smt88 7y ago
    In this case, there was racial discrimination, so they were unlikely to be hired even if they possessed the qualifications.
    - darawk 7y ago
      So what was the point of giving them the answers, then?
      - smt88 7y ago
        I can't tell if you're being sincere or not, but I'll assume the best and respond sincerely. Let's say you have two candidates, one white and one black. In IBM's case, it was more likely they had hundreds of white candidates and a handful of black candidates. Now assume your hiring managers or practices are racist, which we know IBM's were (as were most companies' at that point, when it would still be 20 years before racial discrimination became illegal). Finally, assume that the average scores of the black and white engineers are similar. It shouldn't really matter, because (as we've seen from LSAT scores, Google's HR, and other sources) no test has been developed that's a good measure of future productivity. In this situation, you're never going to hire the black engineer. Even if you yourself aren't racist, you know you likely have colleagues who are. You see hiring the black engineer as risky. If the black engineer instead has excellent test scores, you as a non-racist hiring manager get to cover your ass. Does that make sense? Coaching on tests was a way of counteracting the racism. It had no bearing on whether the candidates were less qualified in this case.

smt88 7y ago

Why do you assume they were unqualified? We already know IBM failed to hire qualified black engineers because they were black. This may well have been cases of qualified people working around a corrupt system. The first black IBM engineer isn't going to want new black hires to be incompetent -- quite the opposite. He likely did his own screening.

darawk 7y ago
> Why do you assume they were unqualified? Because the point of being given the answers is to meet qualifications that you don't actually possess.
- ivanhoe 7y ago
  Or to help you to outperform everyone by such a large margin that racist don't have an excuse not to hire you for being black?
- smt88 7y ago
  In this case, there was racial discrimination, so they were unlikely to be hired even if they possessed the qualifications.
  - darawk 7y ago
    So what was the point of giving them the answers, then?
    - smt88 7y ago
      I can't tell if you're being sincere or not, but I'll assume the best and respond sincerely. Let's say you have two candidates, one white and one black. In IBM's case, it was more likely they had hundreds of white candidates and a handful of black candidates. Now assume your hiring managers or practices are racist, which we know IBM's were (as were most companies' at that point, when it would still be 20 years before racial discrimination became illegal). Finally, assume that the average scores of the black and white engineers are similar. It shouldn't really matter, because (as we've seen from LSAT scores, Google's HR, and other sources) no test has been developed that's a good measure of future productivity. In this situation, you're never going to hire the black engineer. Even if you yourself aren't racist, you know you likely have colleagues who are. You see hiring the black engineer as risky. If the black engineer instead has excellent test scores, you as a non-racist hiring manager get to cover your ass. Does that make sense? Coaching on tests was a way of counteracting the racism. It had no bearing on whether the candidates were less qualified in this case.