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Is it just me or does that sound an awful lot like a foreign government interfering in U.S. elections?

colordrops 7y ago
AIPAC is a much more overt and pernicious form of a foreign government interfering in US elections. They donate money to many US politicians, and actively setup campaigns against those they don't like, such as Ilhan Omar. It's far worse than anything Russia has ever done. And it's out in the open, so people somehow assume it's OK.
- scottlocklin 7y ago
  To be fair, a lot of Americans support AIPAC, either from ethnic solidarity, Christian dispensationalism, or just because they like Israelis. But they've certainly been involved in some shady stuff which should merit them being registered as Foreign Agents. FWIIW the FARA act was passed in 1938 because of fascist and Nazi groups like the German American Bund interfering in US elections. Maybe as time goes by, AIPAC will become about as important in US politics as the German American Bund.
  - fortran77 7y ago
    AIPAC is an American Organization. Composed of Americans. Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" You may not like people because of their religion or nationality, but they are allowed to have a lobbying and education organization without an accusation of not being real Americans. Politicians can choose to listen to them or not, just like the NRA, the American Cancer Society, and the AARP.
    - scottlocklin 7y ago
      >Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" For collaborating with a foreign power in attempting to influence US policy. Here's a former director of AIPAC saying just that (in, mind you, the Jewish Daily Forward): https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-register-as-a-foreign-agent/ https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-reg... The German American Bund was also an American organization made up of Americans ... and getting its marching orders from abroad in service of a foreign regime. That's why we passed the FARA law in 1938 in the first place. Foreigners are not supposed to influence US elections. Everything you have said about AIPAC applied to the German-American bund when they passed the FARA law. Neither the NRA or the American Cancer Society are advocating for policies for benefit of a foreign power: the German American Bund used to do this, just as AIPAC does today. If you don't like FARA, lobby to get it revoked. I'm sure that will go over well after the Russia hysteria. There's also the example of the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal of 2003 for shady AIPAC doings beyond this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_sc... AIPAC were pressured to register as foreign agents back in 62, but Kennedy being shot kind of pushed that aside. Ended pressure on them to stop their nuke program as well. https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/default.asp https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/default.asp
      - fortran77 7y ago
        I still don't understand how you can expect Americans to be put in some sort of Registry because they have an opinion that differs with yours.
        scottlocklin 7y ago
        Um, OK I guess stating historical facts is insane and full of hate. Would you like to clarify your statement or are you comfortable denouncing me for knowing my history? Citations were provided for every factual statement I made.
        colordrops 7y ago
        You seem to be the one full of hate, using angry labels rather than addressing the comment.

AIPAC is a much more overt and pernicious form of a foreign government interfering in US elections. They donate money to many US politicians, and actively setup campaigns against those they don't like, such as Ilhan Omar. It's far worse than anything Russia has ever done. And it's out in the open, so people somehow assume it's OK.

scottlocklin 7y ago
To be fair, a lot of Americans support AIPAC, either from ethnic solidarity, Christian dispensationalism, or just because they like Israelis. But they've certainly been involved in some shady stuff which should merit them being registered as Foreign Agents. FWIIW the FARA act was passed in 1938 because of fascist and Nazi groups like the German American Bund interfering in US elections. Maybe as time goes by, AIPAC will become about as important in US politics as the German American Bund.
- fortran77 7y ago
  AIPAC is an American Organization. Composed of Americans. Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" You may not like people because of their religion or nationality, but they are allowed to have a lobbying and education organization without an accusation of not being real Americans. Politicians can choose to listen to them or not, just like the NRA, the American Cancer Society, and the AARP.
  - scottlocklin 7y ago
    >Why on earth should they register as "Foreign Agents?" For collaborating with a foreign power in attempting to influence US policy. Here's a former director of AIPAC saying just that (in, mind you, the Jewish Daily Forward): https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-register-as-a-foreign-agent/ https://forward.com/opinion/395676/its-time-for-aipac-to-reg... The German American Bund was also an American organization made up of Americans ... and getting its marching orders from abroad in service of a foreign regime. That's why we passed the FARA law in 1938 in the first place. Foreigners are not supposed to influence US elections. Everything you have said about AIPAC applied to the German-American bund when they passed the FARA law. Neither the NRA or the American Cancer Society are advocating for policies for benefit of a foreign power: the German American Bund used to do this, just as AIPAC does today. If you don't like FARA, lobby to get it revoked. I'm sure that will go over well after the Russia hysteria. There's also the example of the Lawrence Franklin espionage scandal of 2003 for shady AIPAC doings beyond this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_sc... AIPAC were pressured to register as foreign agents back in 62, but Kennedy being shot kind of pushed that aside. Ended pressure on them to stop their nuke program as well. https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/default.asp https://www.israellobby.org/azcdoj/default.asp
    - fortran77 7y ago
      I still don't understand how you can expect Americans to be put in some sort of Registry because they have an opinion that differs with yours.
      - scottlocklin 7y ago
        Um, OK I guess stating historical facts is insane and full of hate. Would you like to clarify your statement or are you comfortable denouncing me for knowing my history? Citations were provided for every factual statement I made.
      - colordrops 7y ago
        You seem to be the one full of hate, using angry labels rather than addressing the comment.