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I see. I saw somewhere else in the thread that you yourself are a new grad, so I'll chalk this up to lack of experience but on sufficiently large products it i

I see. I saw somewhere else in the thread that you yourself are a new grad, so I'll chalk this up to lack of experience but on sufficiently large products it is trivial to make incremental changes that will produce more value then your salary. In my own career I saved a big tech company 250k in reoccurring costs with a 9 month project I completed as a junior. Yes, that number is a rounding error for a large company but the value is clear. Additionally, perhaps you have never built a team before, but the value of a potential employee extends beyond their year-to-year output. If, for example, I have great confidence that a currently junior hire will output ~$1M of value over a four year period than I am willing to overpay that first year as they grow and develop. This isn't going anywhere interesting and I am uninterested in continuing the conversation further. Have a nice day :) (There is a certain irony to me about this back and forth. A large portion of my personal time is spent volunteering in an organization that agitates for unions and other forms of direct action aimed at tackling the gross inequity of this society head-on. You're clearly keyed in to a real and present problem, but rather than suggest any solutions you've decided to whinge ineffectively about... developer salaries?)

tidepod12 7y ago
I'm not a new grad (I was one of those 'new grads' getting a high salary, but that was years ago), but thanks for being so dismissive based on my perceived age (which isn't even correct). Nice age-ism. If it's dicks you want to measure: in my career, I have personally been responsible for over $2 million in sales of contracts and helped another company implement a $1.5 million software implementation in half the planned time. I still don't think it was at all a meaningful contribution to society. If you don't want to continue the discussion, that's fine by me.
- InterimNew 7y ago
  edit: and for the record, I'm one of those "new grads" making a self-admittedly absurd amount of money for what honestly amounts to a relatively meaningless contribution to society. Yea, I take the salary (and try to donate a good bit of it), but it still makes me feel uneasy that I'm being paid this much in the first place. I'm sorry, how was I supposed to read that? If someone tells you that they lack experience, it is entirely within the pale to comment on or draw conclusions from their lack of experience. And no, I do not want to measure your genitalia. That doesn't have any place on Hacker News.
  - tidepod12 7y ago
    I;m going to interpret your comment nicely and assume you read my comment before the edit, but I was a new grad. I made that edit (the one you quoted) to emphasize the fact that I am familiar with the high salaries and personally receive one. However, it would have been more accurate to say that I was a new grad years ago, but am not anymore. Regardless, even if I was a new grad, it would not have been justification for your reductive and dismissiveness. That is not good faith discussion. >And no, I do not want to measure your genitalia. That doesn't have any place on Hacker News. Then why did you bring it up? Genuinely asking.
- random314 7y ago
  > I have personally been responsible for over $2 million in sales of contracts and helped another company implement a $1.5 million software implementation in half the planned time. I hate to break it to you. New grad developers in FAANG companies routinely run A/B tests that lift the company revenue by 10-100M$ every quarter. How do you think the company grows revenue by 20-50% YOY? > If it's dicks you want to measure Congratulations on starting this contest. The results are in - your appendage is tiny. Envy and anger are possible side effects of appendage measurement.

tidepod12 7y ago

I'm not a new grad (I was one of those 'new grads' getting a high salary, but that was years ago), but thanks for being so dismissive based on my perceived age (which isn't even correct). Nice age-ism. If it's dicks you want to measure: in my career, I have personally been responsible for over $2 million in sales of contracts and helped another company implement a $1.5 million software implementation in half the planned time. I still don't think it was at all a meaningful contribution to society. If you don't want to continue the discussion, that's fine by me.

InterimNew 7y ago
edit: and for the record, I'm one of those "new grads" making a self-admittedly absurd amount of money for what honestly amounts to a relatively meaningless contribution to society. Yea, I take the salary (and try to donate a good bit of it), but it still makes me feel uneasy that I'm being paid this much in the first place. I'm sorry, how was I supposed to read that? If someone tells you that they lack experience, it is entirely within the pale to comment on or draw conclusions from their lack of experience. And no, I do not want to measure your genitalia. That doesn't have any place on Hacker News.
- tidepod12 7y ago
  I;m going to interpret your comment nicely and assume you read my comment before the edit, but I was a new grad. I made that edit (the one you quoted) to emphasize the fact that I am familiar with the high salaries and personally receive one. However, it would have been more accurate to say that I was a new grad years ago, but am not anymore. Regardless, even if I was a new grad, it would not have been justification for your reductive and dismissiveness. That is not good faith discussion. >And no, I do not want to measure your genitalia. That doesn't have any place on Hacker News. Then why did you bring it up? Genuinely asking.
random314 7y ago
> I have personally been responsible for over $2 million in sales of contracts and helped another company implement a $1.5 million software implementation in half the planned time. I hate to break it to you. New grad developers in FAANG companies routinely run A/B tests that lift the company revenue by 10-100M$ every quarter. How do you think the company grows revenue by 20-50% YOY? > If it's dicks you want to measure Congratulations on starting this contest. The results are in - your appendage is tiny. Envy and anger are possible side effects of appendage measurement.