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Demanding due process and civil liberties is not radical, it's just following the UN chart for human rights. EDIT: The immediate downvote of any pro HK civil l

by wtdata 7y ago

Demanding due process and civil liberties is not radical, it's just following the UN chart for human rights. EDIT: The immediate downvote of any pro HK civil liberties comment continues on HN and still @dang, instead of looking into the real issue and into the number of new accounts created on HN to specifically support the PoC in these threads, chastises whoever points what is happening.

ndidi 7y ago
The UN chart for "human rights" is not some kind of holy scripture.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  Just calling all these people from all walks of life "radicals" doesn't even pass the smell test either way. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0iqpy/2000_medicial_professionals_singing_do_you_hear/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0iqpy/2000_medic... You can give up your own human rights however you wish, but not those of others on their behalf. https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ind... edit: wow, I dropped 14 karma in a 13 minutes of posting this comment, because apparently one or more people are going through older of mine comments and downvoting anything that can still can be voted on. That's actually the first time in over 6 years that happened.
- wtdata 7y ago
  It is a document ratified with the agreement of China. https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ind...
pishpash 7y ago
Stop beating up bystanders and yelling "fuck your mom" at people who disagree with you, calling mainlanders "locusts", and stop setting bonfires and destroying public property and trying to blind police with high-powered lasers, then we can talk about your due process and civil liberties.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Over half the entire population out demonstrating is not the radicals taking over, but there's bound to be a few easily found to spin up any desired message, amongst millions. What matters is they're too radical for the current CCP leadership. It doesn't matter that the agreement provides mutually agreed and signed written promise of universal suffrage in election of the Chief Executive, and I think of the Legislative Council. Which is a slap in the face for HKers with every Chief Exec appointee from Beijing with the comical farce of the "show election". Surprise, Beijing's choice wins every election! Had Hu not been forced to resign and publicly recant, Tiananmen and the China wide protests might have gone very differently. The hopes and optimism expressed in the article had a real chance of becoming true. Being forced out for not being harsh enough on protesters, months before Tiananmen and only weeks into the demonstrations changed everything both in China, and for Hong Kong's future.
- pishpash 7y ago
  Even if the whole population came out, so what? You do not believe a population can be radicalized? You conveniently forget that also in the Basic Law is a signed written promise to legislate a national security law, i.e. Article 23. Rejecting that means the die has been cast to forego reasoned compromise and go down the road of political confrontation. Then it becomes a power game that HK will lose every time, dragging the prospects of political liberalization in the mainland down with it.
  - msla 7y ago
    > Even if the whole population came out, so what? You do not believe a population can be radicalized? If you meet one radical on the way to work, you met a radical. If you conclude that the entire population of a large and established polity is radical, you're the radical.

by wtdata 7y ago

ndidi 7y ago

The UN chart for "human rights" is not some kind of holy scripture.

PavlovsCat 7y ago
Just calling all these people from all walks of life "radicals" doesn't even pass the smell test either way. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0iqpy/2000_medicial_professionals_singing_do_you_hear/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/d0iqpy/2000_medic... You can give up your own human rights however you wish, but not those of others on their behalf. https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ind... edit: wow, I dropped 14 karma in a 13 minutes of posting this comment, because apparently one or more people are going through older of mine comments and downvoting anything that can still can be voted on. That's actually the first time in over 6 years that happened.
wtdata 7y ago
It is a document ratified with the agreement of China. https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ind...

pishpash 7y ago

Stop beating up bystanders and yelling "fuck your mom" at people who disagree with you, calling mainlanders "locusts", and stop setting bonfires and destroying public property and trying to blind police with high-powered lasers, then we can talk about your due process and civil liberties.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago

Over half the entire population out demonstrating is not the radicals taking over, but there's bound to be a few easily found to spin up any desired message, amongst millions. What matters is they're too radical for the current CCP leadership. It doesn't matter that the agreement provides mutually agreed and signed written promise of universal suffrage in election of the Chief Executive, and I think of the Legislative Council. Which is a slap in the face for HKers with every Chief Exec appointee from Beijing with the comical farce of the "show election". Surprise, Beijing's choice wins every election! Had Hu not been forced to resign and publicly recant, Tiananmen and the China wide protests might have gone very differently. The hopes and optimism expressed in the article had a real chance of becoming true. Being forced out for not being harsh enough on protesters, months before Tiananmen and only weeks into the demonstrations changed everything both in China, and for Hong Kong's future.

pishpash 7y ago
Even if the whole population came out, so what? You do not believe a population can be radicalized? You conveniently forget that also in the Basic Law is a signed written promise to legislate a national security law, i.e. Article 23. Rejecting that means the die has been cast to forego reasoned compromise and go down the road of political confrontation. Then it becomes a power game that HK will lose every time, dragging the prospects of political liberalization in the mainland down with it.
- msla 7y ago
  > Even if the whole population came out, so what? You do not believe a population can be radicalized? If you meet one radical on the way to work, you met a radical. If you conclude that the entire population of a large and established polity is radical, you're the radical.