6 ms·

The point about turning out a generation of clones is spot on, and ultimately the cruelest irony of the whole thing. The best way to get into an elite college i

by aothman 16y ago

The point about turning out a generation of clones is spot on, and ultimately the cruelest irony of the whole thing. The best way to get into an elite college is by standing out as an individual; the colleges asian parents desperately want their kids to attend deal with the "asian clone" thing by rejecting the lot of them. The asian kid with a 1560 SAT and state violin awards (probably) isn't getting into Harvard, but if he had substituted kicking field goals for every minute he practiced violin...

muhfuhkuh 16y ago
"The asian kid with a 1560 SAT and state violin awards (probably) isn't getting into Harvard" 18% of Harvard students are Asian, so yeah, he (probably) would. And, that's with a long-standing policy of "ethnic cleansing" in Asian matriculation[1]. [1]http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/2/19/affirmatives-of-affirmative-action-a-study/ http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/2/19/affirmatives-of-...
- nano81 16y ago
  That doesn't really nullify his point - what percentage of applicants were Asian?
  - muhfuhkuh 16y ago
    It really does nullify the point. If, as he claims, Harvard were trying to actively prevent the "asian clones" from invading, they would not allow a minority that makes up only 4% of the general population take almost up almost 1/5th of the slots, especially when you're underrepresenting whites, blacks, AND hispanics in the process (again, as a percentage of the general population). But, to answer your question, 23% of total applicants are Asian-American, and 18% of total accepted are Asian-American[1]. So, yeah, little Johnny Violin is likely getting into Harvard. [1]http://www.asianam.org/2006.htm http://www.asianam.org/2006.htm PS, yes, my math was totally mucked up. Thanks for pointing that out :D It should be around 8% acceptance, which is actually less than the acceptance rate overall. Hmmm... so I guess they are rejecting them in droves.
    - jeanhsu 16y ago
      you might want to check your math...
    - benmccann 16y ago
      That does not mean the acceptance rate is near 80%. Imagine 100 people apply, 50 of which are Asian. 5 people get in, 1 of which is Asian. 20% of the total accepted are Asian, but the acceptance rate among Asians is 2% and 8% for other races.
- krakensden 16y ago
  18% seems pretty low, but I'm on the west coast.
- sethg 16y ago
  The kid who merely has 1560 SAT and state violin awards won’t get into Harvard. The people running admissions for top-tier schools are looking for freshmen who are “well-rounded” as well as smart, and they want a “diverse” student body as well. If you show up with exactly the same extracurricular activities on your resume that a thousand other pushed-to-overachieve seventeen-year-olds all over the country have, you are at a disadvantage.

by aothman 16y ago

muhfuhkuh 16y ago

"The asian kid with a 1560 SAT and state violin awards (probably) isn't getting into Harvard" 18% of Harvard students are Asian, so yeah, he (probably) would. And, that's with a long-standing policy of "ethnic cleansing" in Asian matriculation[1]. [1]http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/2/19/affirmatives-of-affirmative-action-a-study/ http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/2/19/affirmatives-of-...

nano81 16y ago
That doesn't really nullify his point - what percentage of applicants were Asian?
- muhfuhkuh 16y ago
  It really does nullify the point. If, as he claims, Harvard were trying to actively prevent the "asian clones" from invading, they would not allow a minority that makes up only 4% of the general population take almost up almost 1/5th of the slots, especially when you're underrepresenting whites, blacks, AND hispanics in the process (again, as a percentage of the general population). But, to answer your question, 23% of total applicants are Asian-American, and 18% of total accepted are Asian-American[1]. So, yeah, little Johnny Violin is likely getting into Harvard. [1]http://www.asianam.org/2006.htm http://www.asianam.org/2006.htm PS, yes, my math was totally mucked up. Thanks for pointing that out :D It should be around 8% acceptance, which is actually less than the acceptance rate overall. Hmmm... so I guess they are rejecting them in droves.
  - jeanhsu 16y ago
    you might want to check your math...
  - benmccann 16y ago
    That does not mean the acceptance rate is near 80%. Imagine 100 people apply, 50 of which are Asian. 5 people get in, 1 of which is Asian. 20% of the total accepted are Asian, but the acceptance rate among Asians is 2% and 8% for other races.
krakensden 16y ago
18% seems pretty low, but I'm on the west coast.
sethg 16y ago
The kid who merely has 1560 SAT and state violin awards won’t get into Harvard. The people running admissions for top-tier schools are looking for freshmen who are “well-rounded” as well as smart, and they want a “diverse” student body as well. If you show up with exactly the same extracurricular activities on your resume that a thousand other pushed-to-overachieve seventeen-year-olds all over the country have, you are at a disadvantage.