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>True, and the Taycan may well be a better car in many ways. But a discussion of the gearbox has nothing to do with handling or sports car feeling. There isn't

>True, and the Taycan may well be a better car in many ways. But a discussion of the gearbox has nothing to do with handling or sports car feeling. There isn't a single published metric in which the Performance Model S doesn't trounce the Taycan.

Neil44 7y ago
How about 0-60 or 1/4 mile where you haven’t spent 10 minutes warming the batteries first?
- elonismycopilot 7y ago
  Not a published metric and Teslas can pre heat anyways. Just more anti Tesla bias from the normies.
leetcrew 7y ago
if you're looking for the best car on paper, Porsche is probably not for you.
- elonismycopilot 7y ago
  Well in terms of looks, charging network, city driving, autopilot, price and drag racing I'll take the Tesla. So far we've just seen a bunch of hand waving about how Taycan is better on the track... looks like there is a Model S being sent to Nurburgring to lay that to rest.
  - steelframe 7y ago
    > looks like there is a Model S being sent to Nurburgring to lay that to rest. It looks like that Model S might just be sitting next to the Nurburgring for a while once it gets there. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28942079/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-lap-attempt-porsche-taycan/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28942079/tesla-mod...
  - leetcrew 7y ago
    sounds like you're the target audience for tesla. nothing wrong with that, but everyone has their own taste. for the money, I'd much rather have the new GT4, but that's neither here nor there.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > charging network The charging network available to the Taycan is the combination of different CCS charging network providers. They've been doing roaming deals with each other to simplify charging for their users. For example, Electrify America has roaming agreements with EVgo and ChargePoint: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evgo-electrify-america-charging-station/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evgo-electrify-america-ch... Road trips don't seem to be a problem in the Taycan. 408 miles, one 24 minute stop for charging: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/porsche-taycan-makes-408-mile-journey-from-niagara-falls-to-nyc/ https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/porsche-taycan-makes-408-m...
  - davewritescode 7y ago
    There’s almost no chance Tesla is going to get anywhere near the Taycan. There’s been a few professional drivers who’ve given it a shot and breaking 9 minutes has been a challenge. For context, that’s the same lap time as a Mazda MX-5. There’s almost zero chance Elon is going to find another 1:20 with the existing Model S. Just not going to happen. https://youtu.be/Dphw4km60m4 https://youtu.be/Dphw4km60m4
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    - fgonzag 7y ago
      At the end of the video the dude was barely able to break the 170 kph on straights.... The performance degradation throughout 2/3rds of a lap was atrocious. The driver was pretty decent considering he was hauling around a massive sedan, the guy knew the ring very well.
adrr 7y ago
Nurburgring Ring times. P100D has terrible thermal management and goes into limp mode before completing the course. If people really cared about 0 to 60 times, we see a lot more Dodge Demons on the road instead of 911s and Corvettes. If Porsche can get price point for a regular Taycan below $100k, i'll gladly trade in my Porsche and Tesla for one because it does everything i want. I can drive canyon roads and never have to fill up.
- elonismycopilot 7y ago
  Nurburing will be put to the test next week. To compare a 2014 model S or even p85 is pointless. Until then it is just another attempt at hand waving and cherry picking from Porsche.
  - dragontamer 7y ago
    > Nurburing will be put to the test next week. Unlikely. The track is fully booked for a while. I know that Musk wants to get an apples-to-apples comparison between the two cars, but Musk needed to start working on this (starting with a Nurburing reservation) months ago. I'm sure they'll get a test-run in within a few months, but there's no way they'll get the info within a week.
  - AndrewBissell 7y ago
    Lots of jeering on Twitter right now as Nürburgring is saying that Tesla does not have a lap reservation for them next week as Musk had claimed. https://twitter.com/RoadandTrack/status/1170044182808977408 https://twitter.com/RoadandTrack/status/1170044182808977408 > Porsche has tons of experience setting fast Nürburgring lap times, and a huge asset in the form of factory racer Lars Kern. The Model S Performance is a quick car, but Tesla has no prior experience attempting to lap the Nürburgring. It's hard to imagine the automaker could go out and beat Porsche on its first visit to the track. Maybe they're hoping Autopilot will set the track record? LOL
- rconti 7y ago
  Sure, and it's an ancient car, by EV standards. I'd hope that a Porsche that nobody has taken delivery of yet and costs way more is better. Last time I was at the track (in my BMW M car, mind you) we had a couple of Model 3 Performance cars, and a couple of Model S. I could pass the Model S with ease. I couldn't get close to the Model 3 Performance.
gburdell3 7y ago
Does the Taycan overheat and go into limp mode if you take it to the track?
- kenhwang 7y ago
  The old Model S had a hard time keeping up with a Nissan Leaf on the track. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/16/how-did-a-nissan-leaf-beat-a-tesla-model-s-in-a-race/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/16/how-did-a-nissan-leaf-b...
- rasz 7y ago
  Does it pop glued coolant lines making you pay for track cleaning like the rest of track oriented Porsches? https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/592328-catastrophic-coolant-hose-coupling-failure-registry.html https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/592328-catastr...

Neil44 7y ago

How about 0-60 or 1/4 mile where you haven’t spent 10 minutes warming the batteries first?

elonismycopilot 7y ago
Not a published metric and Teslas can pre heat anyways. Just more anti Tesla bias from the normies.

leetcrew 7y ago

if you're looking for the best car on paper, Porsche is probably not for you.

elonismycopilot 7y ago
Well in terms of looks, charging network, city driving, autopilot, price and drag racing I'll take the Tesla. So far we've just seen a bunch of hand waving about how Taycan is better on the track... looks like there is a Model S being sent to Nurburgring to lay that to rest.
- steelframe 7y ago
  > looks like there is a Model S being sent to Nurburgring to lay that to rest. It looks like that Model S might just be sitting next to the Nurburgring for a while once it gets there. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28942079/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-lap-attempt-porsche-taycan/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a28942079/tesla-mod...
- leetcrew 7y ago
  sounds like you're the target audience for tesla. nothing wrong with that, but everyone has their own taste. for the money, I'd much rather have the new GT4, but that's neither here nor there.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > charging network The charging network available to the Taycan is the combination of different CCS charging network providers. They've been doing roaming deals with each other to simplify charging for their users. For example, Electrify America has roaming agreements with EVgo and ChargePoint: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evgo-electrify-america-charging-station/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/evgo-electrify-america-ch... Road trips don't seem to be a problem in the Taycan. 408 miles, one 24 minute stop for charging: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/porsche-taycan-makes-408-mile-journey-from-niagara-falls-to-nyc/ https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/porsche-taycan-makes-408-m...
- davewritescode 7y ago
  There’s almost no chance Tesla is going to get anywhere near the Taycan. There’s been a few professional drivers who’ve given it a shot and breaking 9 minutes has been a challenge. For context, that’s the same lap time as a Mazda MX-5. There’s almost zero chance Elon is going to find another 1:20 with the existing Model S. Just not going to happen. https://youtu.be/Dphw4km60m4 https://youtu.be/Dphw4km60m4
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  - fgonzag 7y ago
    At the end of the video the dude was barely able to break the 170 kph on straights.... The performance degradation throughout 2/3rds of a lap was atrocious. The driver was pretty decent considering he was hauling around a massive sedan, the guy knew the ring very well.

adrr 7y ago

Nurburgring Ring times. P100D has terrible thermal management and goes into limp mode before completing the course. If people really cared about 0 to 60 times, we see a lot more Dodge Demons on the road instead of 911s and Corvettes. If Porsche can get price point for a regular Taycan below $100k, i'll gladly trade in my Porsche and Tesla for one because it does everything i want. I can drive canyon roads and never have to fill up.

elonismycopilot 7y ago
Nurburing will be put to the test next week. To compare a 2014 model S or even p85 is pointless. Until then it is just another attempt at hand waving and cherry picking from Porsche.
- dragontamer 7y ago
  > Nurburing will be put to the test next week. Unlikely. The track is fully booked for a while. I know that Musk wants to get an apples-to-apples comparison between the two cars, but Musk needed to start working on this (starting with a Nurburing reservation) months ago. I'm sure they'll get a test-run in within a few months, but there's no way they'll get the info within a week.
- AndrewBissell 7y ago
  Lots of jeering on Twitter right now as Nürburgring is saying that Tesla does not have a lap reservation for them next week as Musk had claimed. https://twitter.com/RoadandTrack/status/1170044182808977408 https://twitter.com/RoadandTrack/status/1170044182808977408 > Porsche has tons of experience setting fast Nürburgring lap times, and a huge asset in the form of factory racer Lars Kern. The Model S Performance is a quick car, but Tesla has no prior experience attempting to lap the Nürburgring. It's hard to imagine the automaker could go out and beat Porsche on its first visit to the track. Maybe they're hoping Autopilot will set the track record? LOL
rconti 7y ago
Sure, and it's an ancient car, by EV standards. I'd hope that a Porsche that nobody has taken delivery of yet and costs way more is better. Last time I was at the track (in my BMW M car, mind you) we had a couple of Model 3 Performance cars, and a couple of Model S. I could pass the Model S with ease. I couldn't get close to the Model 3 Performance.

gburdell3 7y ago

Does the Taycan overheat and go into limp mode if you take it to the track?

kenhwang 7y ago
The old Model S had a hard time keeping up with a Nissan Leaf on the track. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/16/how-did-a-nissan-leaf-beat-a-tesla-model-s-in-a-race/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/07/16/how-did-a-nissan-leaf-b...
rasz 7y ago
Does it pop glued coolant lines making you pay for track cleaning like the rest of track oriented Porsches? https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/592328-catastrophic-coolant-hose-coupling-failure-registry.html https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-gt3-forum/592328-catastr...